Revisiting Toshiba Super Upconversion : It is really a super resolution 960p native

[bt12483]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Well, I was speaking on the behalf of J6Ps, not videophiles who upgrade their players every year.

then you should have applied it to both HD DVD and bluray, as opposed to presenting it as a bluray substitute, since the technology would be used by the socalled j6p in regards to both formats. you act as if this techonology only impacts bluray, when hddvd would be equally affected.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Jesus H. Christ. Somebody gag me before I get banned.

Just put him on ignore...

[Fettastic]

Originally Posted by bazie

since they require people to have 35+ inch 1080 TV sets to even be relevent

This is not true. My friend has a 32" HDTV and both BD and HD DVD look beautiful on it, FAAAR better than DVD.

[g.k.]

Originally Posted by ccphilly1984

he's an HD DVD supproter's version of bil hunt... lol

Uh... no.

He's just a run of the mill Sony hater.

[kulmbacher]

Originally Posted by bt12483

you act as if this techonology only impacts bluray, when hddvd would be equally affected.

I'm not sure he understands this part.

Is he advocating the death of HD in general?

[Grubert]

Looking at the first post...

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=975151

Thread on AVS gets six posts (four of them by the OP). General reaction: indifference


Thread on highdefdigest gets a dozen pages.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by Fettastic

This is not true. My friend has a 32" HDTV and both BD and HD DVD look beautiful on it, FAAAR better than DVD.

Yes, Dorothy, the difference between 480p and 720p is indeed like night and day.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Looking at the first post...



Thread on AVS gets six posts (four of them by the OP). General reaction: indifference


Thread on highdefdigest gets a dozen pages.

Yes and the OP at AVS downloaded a program which is supposed to mirror "super upconversion" that Toshiba is offering and walked away unimpressed. This appears to be nothing more than a marketing ploy by Toshiba. I would love to see super upconversion tests run by a third party side by side with upconverted DVD on a Samsung BD-P1200 or XA2 and then against Blu-Ray and HD DVD. I would suspect the difference would be very noticeable. Even to J6P...

[bt12483]

Originally Posted by kulmbacher

I'm not sure he understands this part.

Is he advocating the death of HD in general?

i honestly cant tell sometimes. one minute he is pro HD DVD and then he goes on this super upconversion bit which negates both HDM formats (even though he tries to only apply it to bluray). so frustrating...

[HiDefFanboy]

Originally Posted by littlealex

Was the demo material at CES MPEG2 compressed or was it off SD tape? Cos the way I see it, MPEG2 compressed material is itself already using the technique Deadmeat is excited about just to reproduce at 480i. A second of material coming from a dvd is not a series of 30 discrete frames but 30 frames with any non changing detail thrown away. So if this tech looks 4 frames either way at MPEG2 material it's unlikely to find much additional information. That's just to get to 480i and that's just on high bitrate, static material. Put one of the action sequences from Bourne or The Kingdom through it and compare the result to the HD-DVD. Any punter who can't see the difference will just stick to SD anyway.

Very good point Littlealex,
This technology would probably work much better on VHS than DVD because of the lossy codecs used on DVD. Even worse for HD codecs such as VC-1.

Just think of it - 'With Toshiba's Super-Up-Conversion (SUC) your VHS tapes could look as good as DVD!' They could sell so many more VHS machines.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by HiDefFanboy

...'With Toshiba's Super-Up-Conversion (SUC)...

This had me LOLing.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by bt12483

i honestly cant tell sometimes. one minute he is pro HD DVD and then he goes on this super upconversion bit which negates both HDM formats (even though he tries to only apply it to bluray). so frustrating...

The MO is latching on to any anti-Sony talking point that might stick at a given time. Simple as that.

[Badger3920]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Most people can't tell the difference, hence no need for Blu-Ray.

You can't tell the difference between a good argument and a bad one. Hence, no need for you.

Get out of the hi def forums with your "standard is good enough" bs.

[vinnie97]

I hate Sony as much as the next person but FFS at this concoction.

[Badger3920]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

Yes and the OP at AVS downloaded a program which is supposed to mirror "super upconversion" that Toshiba is offering and walked away unimpressed. This appears to be nothing more than a marketing ploy by Toshiba. I would love to see super upconversion tests run by a third party side by side with upconverted DVD on a Samsung BD-P1200 or XA2 and then against Blu-Ray and HD DVD. I would suspect the difference would be very noticeable. Even to J6P...

I SUSPECT IT WOULD BE LAUGHABLE.

I can't believe this clown is allowed to litter our forums with a mudslide of anti-hd topics everyday.