Revisiting Toshiba Super Upconversion : It is really a super resolution 960p native

[cooper1010]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

A movie is nothing more than a series of photos.

nothing more?! c'mon, a little more, right?

Enough journalists report back that it worked.

link it. and not in japanese, please.

Yes

great

The PS3 firmware chief who promoted this got kicked out and shipped back to Sony.(Sony and SCEI are two separate and competing entities with a history of ill blood between them.) Sony knows this thing works, so that's why they don't want to see this in PS3.

the ps3 upconverts, but they don't want it to superconvert?! if they were afraid of blurring the line between hd and polished sd, they wouldn't have put any upconvert in at all. don't you have a poor history of predicting ps3 firmware topics (as well as just about everything else)?

[Zagan]

Let me guess these players will be called SDHD-DVD players, you know they up-convert SD DVDs and you can also super up convert SD DVDs oh and BTW it has so feature called HD-DVD in it but it's probably not needed so doesn't matter much.

[littlealex]

Was the demo material at CES MPEG2 compressed or was it off SD tape? Cos the way I see it, MPEG2 compressed material is itself already using the technique Deadmeat is excited about just to reproduce at 480i. A second of material coming from a dvd is not a series of 30 discrete frames but 30 frames with any non changing detail thrown away. So if this tech looks 4 frames either way at MPEG2 material it's unlikely to find much additional information. That's just to get to 480i and that's just on high bitrate, static material. Put one of the action sequences from Bourne or The Kingdom through it and compare the result to the HD-DVD. Any punter who can't see the difference will just stick to SD anyway.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by hstewarth

That is not actually higher resolution - that is just blending of low resolution frames to simulate high resolution. It a false sense of reality.

False sense of reality is widely used at various US intelligence services and scientific institutions.

The truth is that Super Upconversion works; it is a proven algorithm that just required massive computational power to work on motion pictures, and that computational power arrived in the form of CELL.

As much as CELL is useless for gaming, it is excellent for AV processing.

[kab123]

VHS, CD, DVD are all primary examples of how technology progresses. If you think we’re going to stick with DVD forever you’re mighty wrong. Either HD DVD or BD (more likely) will eventually replace DVD. It can start happening in a years time or maybe in 5. Sooner or later DVD will die.

[Crackbone]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

False sense of reality is widely used at various US intelligence services and scientific institutions.

The truth is that Super Upconversion works; it is a proven algorithm that just required massive computational power to work on motion pictures, and that computational power arrived in the form of CELL.

As much as CELL is useless for gaming, it is excellent for AV processing.

Let's see it in a consumer product before even talking about it.

Furthermore, every iteration I've seen of this technology is in the display, not in a player.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Crackbone

Let's see it in a consumer product before even talking about it.

Furthermore, every iteration I've seen of this technology is in the display, not in a player.

That was before Toshiba decided to focus on improving upconversion quality in its HD-DVD players as its new HD-DVD strategy.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by kab123

VHS, CD, DVD are all primary examples of how technology progresses. If you think we’re going to stick with DVD forever you’re mighty wrong. Either HD DVD or BD (more likely) will eventually replace DVD. It can start happening in a years time or maybe in 5. Sooner or later DVD will die.

CD lived on for 20 years. DVD will enjoy similar long life.

There are plenty of newer techs that failed to replace the older ones, such as LD, SACD, Super-VHS, D-VHS, and UMD. Blu-Ray's failure to replace DVD wouldn't be the first, nor the last, example of that.

[stockstar1138]

deadmeat, dont know if you know a guy who used to go by hdnow, but you should inform him on sup-upconversion because his website is ver pro-hd media and it seems like he was wrong......AGAIN!

[Fettastic]

It still can't create detail that isn't present on the transfer. That means it's just a very sharp SD image, probably with less visible artifacts.

As for those demo shots, I think we're all pretty familiar with the SD vs. HD depictions on both HD DVD and BD demos and realize how completely laughably innacurate they were.

In other words, once Super Upconversion stops being vaporware (like 45GB and 51GB), I'll believe it. But the truth is that I've sold almost all of my DVDs anyway so I don't really have much use for this.

[stockstar1138]

im assuming this is cheaper than bd, which most likely means lower margins for retailers. if i have was a retailer i would be thinking twice before buying into another low margin, half @$$ed solution from toshiba, who has already failed once with hd media. toshiba would have a lot of answering to do on why this wasn't just a gimmick for them to try to keep royalties.

[bazie]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

CD lived on for 20 years. DVD will enjoy similar long life.

There are plenty of newer techs that failed to replace the older ones, such as LD, SACD, Super-VHS, D-VHS, and UMD. Blu-Ray's failure to replace DVD wouldn't be the first, nor the last, example of that.

Did DVD FAIL because it didn't replace the CD? Merely extended and augmented the market?

That is exactly what HDDVD/bluray were aiming to do. They don't want DVD to not exist at all....since they require people to have 35+ inch 1080 TV sets to even be relevent, they were never going to completely take over. The point is to get a large, viable percentage of market share.

And it is VERY likely they will be able to do that.

[kab123]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

CD lived on for 20 years. DVD will enjoy similar long life.

There are plenty of newer techs that failed to replace the older ones, such as LD, SACD, Super-VHS, D-VHS, and UMD. Blu-Ray's failure to replace DVD wouldn't be the first, nor the last, example of that.

Yeah whatever you say slick. Neither of those formats you mention got even close to the current market penetration BD and HD DVD has at the moment. As for BD, it’s even available in certain parts of Africa. People are interested in it. If there is interest, there’s a potential market. The formats you mentioned had zero interest and zero market. BD will grow together with HDTVs. But you can buy your cell processor TV.

[kab123]

You fail epically to understand the concept of technological progression. Do you truly believe we'll be using DVDs in the year 2020 because Toshiba said it’s good enough? This is a slow moving industry as has been proven by CD but the last year has proven that there is interest in HDM optical disc. Yes, DVD isn’t going anywhere anytime soon but that sure as hell don’t mean that there no place for BD. You can mark my words and bookmark this thread please; from now on every major day date release from studios will include a DVD version and a BD/HD DVD version.

Anyway, I’m off, you enjoy your chatting here. I truly hope you strike 50 posts per hour by tomorrow. Good luck to you.

[Coren]

Originally Posted by AV_Integrated

Why are you here?

Are you here to discuss HD formats?

Why do you continue to spread false information about upconversion being something different than upconversion?

What proof, of any actual performance ratings do you have under Benchmark testing as to the quality?

What proof, of actual quality do you have regarding HD optical discs, of either format, when compared to this upconversion?

At what point do you think your opinion is actually more important than reality?

So, with Deadmeat's further posts in this thread giving you the answers to these questions, has he given enough proof of his purpose here to just perma-ban him yet?