Revisiting Toshiba Super Upconversion : It is really a super resolution 960p native

[Frankly]

So this works for photos.

The proof will be in the pudding, and I consider this complete crap until it's out and demo'd. You know, kind of like the TL51s. I'll believe it when I see it.

Also for your consideration: Are they achieving this using the CELL processor? If they are, I wonder how hard it would be to achieve it with a firmware upgrade in a PS3. Just something to think about.

[Ace_of_Sevens]

This works great when you have four photos of Jupiter fromt eh same angle or different angels that have been matched to a 3d computer model to correct for perspective. I'll believe it would work in real time on video when I see it.

[Deadmeat]

Originally Posted by Frankly

So this works for photos.

A movie is nothing more than a series of photos.

The proof will be in the pudding, and I consider this complete crap until it's out and demo'd.

Enough journalists report back that it worked.

Also for your consideration: Are they achieving this using the CELL processor?

Yes

If they are, I wonder how hard it would be to achieve it with a firmware upgrade in a PS3. Just something to think about.

The PS3 firmware chief who promoted this got kicked out and shipped back to Sony.(Sony and SCEI are two separate and competing entities with a history of ill blood between them.) Sony knows this thing works, so that's why they don't want to see this in PS3.

[ccphilly1984]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

But a damn good guess, of course.

welcome back DEADMEAT! we all missed you dearly... we even had a poll to see who missed you. will someone start a thread to welcome back deadmeat?

[1jzgte]

Originally Posted by Stranger Danger

Depends on the source. Not all sd dvd are created equal.

neither are all Blu-rays or HD

[Roshan]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

A movie is nothing more than a series of photos.


Enough journalists report back that it worked.


Yes


The PS3 firmware chief who promoted this got kicked out and shipped back to Sony.(Sony and SCEI are two separate and competing entities with a history of ill blood between them.) Sony knows this thing works, so that's why they don't want to see this in PS3.

Hey FUDmeat
the samples at CES where probably at high bit rate and lets see how well it works on blur. Do you know what the price is? It will cost more then the average upscaller.

[chocobomog]

A. Why is this in the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD Smackdown? It is neither format. You were banned once, and now that you are back it looks like you will be banned again.

B. How long will it take for this to come out? How much will it cost? If it uses the Cell processor, it is not going to be cheap, and there is no proof the PS3 couldn't do the same thing. It may come out too late to affect anything. By that time, cheap Blu-ray players may be available.

C. Studios won't support this. They want to make money by reselling their movies again (like they did when selling DVDs to VHS owners). If this doesn't require people to re-buy movies, the studios make no profit. Expect a lot of anti-super conversion ads from studios explaining why true High def (Blu-ray) is better. The only company who will be pro super conversion is Toshiba. Once again it will be Toshiba vs the studios, and we know how well that turned out with HD-DVD.

[Frankly]

Originally Posted by Ace_of_Sevens

This works great when you have four photos of Jupiter fromt eh same angle or different angels that have been matched to a 3d computer model to correct for perspective. I'll believe it would work in real time on video when I see it.

Yeah, just how many movies are shot multiple times? Hmmmmm.... I'm doubting the video aspect of this, as well now.

[HiDefFanboy]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

A movie is nothing more than a series of photos.


Enough journalists report back that it worked.


Yes


The PS3 firmware chief who promoted this got kicked out and shipped back to Sony.(Sony and SCEI are two separate and competing entities with a history of ill blood between them.) Sony knows this thing works, so that's why they don't want to see this in PS3.

I don't doubt that this would work to enhance some scenes with very small changes between pixels. i.e. each detail has to be tracked at the pixel edges a multiple number of times. This means your scenes cannot be very fast moving, but they must be moving in a very predictable maner. This has all been done before in computer software. The basics are edge detection algorithms. The sad thing is that all these algorithms produce very noticable artifacts with certain types of images, by introducing new and disturbing 'detail' that was never there.

This is very similar to the 120hz LCD tvs out right now - they all produce an interpolated image that was never there. What can you say, it works for some types of scenes, not so well for others.

If this becomes a selling feature of DVD players, you can bet that the PS3 will get this feature.

But just imagine what you can do with this by giving it a true 1080p source matterial to work with.

[hstewarth]

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

It is 960p native because this 960p frame is the result of composition of 9 480p frames.

Above four images were combined to produce higher resolution Jupiter.

That is not actually higher resolution - that is just blending of low resolution frames to simulate high resolution. It a false sense of reality.

One of most amazing things I notice in Blu-ray on XBR2 is with Pearl Harbor Blu-ray - in one image I actually notice small little hairs on a girls chin. Super Resolution BS would never be able to achieve this because source would never have it. You can not make detail out of something where the source of detail.

The funny thing I notice about these super resolution images is that they never have true detail - like very small lines, detail electronics, high tech space.

You can show images of blending all day to novices - but for some one like myself how has a hobby with 3d graphics - this is really BS.

Besides I believe a lot of TV's have this ability built in - I know my projector has it and its 3 years old. Works great for old re-runs of Star Trek.

[93xfan]

man, Toshiba is a really pathetic company. i seriously doubt the BDA would try this if Blu-ray was going to be the next Betamax, but one can only speculate.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by SRFan

Only on cherry picked, low to no movement scenes where the lighting doesn't change I bet. Not to mention that you're a proven liar and I don't believe you.
Stop it, noone is as excited about this as you are, and it will never be an adequate substitute for 1080p full HD.

bingo!every pic of sup-upconversion i have seen is brite and vivid. what does this thing do in a dark scene where 6 frames show no detail and two frames do, guarenteed detail gets left out. one more thing is how this does scene changes. if four frames are in a store another four are outside what is this sup -upconversion gonna show?

[HiDefFanboy]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

bingo!every pic of sup-upconversion i have seen is brite and vivid. what does this thing do in a dark scene where 6 frames show no detail and two frames do, guarenteed detail gets left out. one more thing is how this does scene changes. if four frames are in a store another four are outside what is this sup -upconversion gonna show?

What's it gonna show ... pretty bad artifacts. You see lines where there should be none.

Also I doubt this can deal with features that are single pixel in width.

[CaptainCanuck]

Sooper upconversion:The look and sound of Plan b"

[checkingout]

Studio's have nothing to do with this, unless they stop making SD-DVD's.

Originally Posted by chocobomog

C. Studios won't support this. They want to make money by reselling their movies again (like they did when selling DVDs to VHS owners). If this doesn't require people to re-buy movies, the studios make no profit. Expect a lot of anti-super conversion ads from studios explaining why true High def (Blu-ray) is better. The only company who will be pro super conversion is Toshiba. Once again it will be Toshiba vs the studios, and we know how well that turned out with HD-DVD.