01-14-2008 01:42 PM #46
Wow... what a fantastic thread where we all have a chance to go down memory avenue and repeat every terrible argument we've already made. There aren't enough dead horses to go around for this forum.
Anyway, I'll gladly accept toshiba's price war. I love how the hd guys started attacking blu guys after warner went blu, saying "GREAT JOB YOU JUST ENDED THE BOGO'S AND PRICE WARS FOR ALL OF US."
A week later, amazon has a huge 50% off sale, and now toshiba is playing its last card "uhhh, now our prices are REALLY cheap!" It's really their last move anyway, they have no plays left. I, for one, am actually very happy about their new strategy. HD guys (who I have respect for as fellow hdm enthusiasts) can buy back up players to future protect their hd libraries. BDA will counter aggressively in their own way. The end of this war will benefit everyone, and toshiba is helping everyone on its way out of the hd market. Win-win the way I see it.
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01-14-2008 02:53 PM #48Member
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So Toshiba is trying to sell their HD-DVD players on the merit of being able to upscale standard-def DVDs. Nice one, but oh yeah - Blu-ray players do that whole upscaling DVDs thing, also.
On a personal note, after reading through all these posts, I must say, HD-DVD fans, or at least the ones posting here, are are some really angry, unhappy people; ironically, they accuse Blu-ray supporters of being the irate ones.
It's just easier to hate the team that's winning.
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01-14-2008 04:25 PM #50
I love the blu fanboys, Back when Paramount ditched BR: a Sony spokesman was asked what Blu-Ray people should do about not buying Paramount titles, the spokeman said they would look great upconverted.... Go figure. Sony grasping straws?"It may have been the losing side, Still not convinced it was the wrong one" -- Captain Mal Reynolds, Serenity
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What's so hard to understand?
Let's not forget that 70% studio support for Blu won't mean shit if they don't push the hardware into homes. In terms of Toshiba driving this message home it's not a bad tactic at all. People can still enjoy ANY movie they want regardless of who is backing who in terms of HDM. It's actually a pretty good move on their part from a business perspective.
01-14-2008 06:16 PM #53Member
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Toshiba got dealt a huge blow; rather than throwing in the towel, they are trying a new angle to get HD DVD hardware into homes... This is why Blu fan boys are all irate
01-14-2008 06:30 PM #54Member
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This could actually work. I have no idea if it will but it might...What the hell, it's worth a shot. It certainly can't hurt. God knows that the BDA isn't exactly doing a bang up job at touting upconversion capabilities.
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01-14-2008 08:11 PM #56
Both Blu-Ray player manufacturers and HDDVD player manufacturers are selling upconvert DVD players so it's hard for them to tell the truth that HDM blows upconverted images out of the water. The marketing of the HDM formats, for the most part, said that the HDM players would deliver true HD, and it wouldn't let your DVD collection go to waste because it can make those look pretty good too. The upconvert marketing (refering to packaging and feature spec sheets) often says things like "Near HD" but also often blantently claims it delivers 1080p or HD picture.
These two seperate marketing claims confuse customers (talking firsthand sales experience here) and now with Toshiba appearantly ditching the HDM style marketing for the Upconvert marketing will make consumers more confused and less likely to buy HDM.
So if Toshiba is trying to pull Blu-Ray down with it's own sinking ship and steer customers to the "good-enough" quality of DVD, then they are doing a fabulous job, and frankly it is the most business savy move they could make.
Yes I know that DVD is good enough for most consumers, specifically those who just don't care about movies. Just because most consumers don't care though, is no reason to give upon them and let HDM be the next laser disc. HDM being niche may not be the end of the world, but I would prefer the largest possible library, so lets hope the electronic retail sales staff do their job and get the general public informed on how good HD can get.Sony 50" SXRD 1080P
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I agree Razz...I didn't get from the press release that they are going only after the upscaling capabilities though. I like how they are saying listen, you have some films now and there's no NEED to purchase them again. We can bring them up to near HD quality picture. AND, on top of that for what you don't have you can get the real deal. I like how (from my view) they are at least trying to bridge the gap. Blu-ray, while I really think they have done a superb job marketing the PS3 in particular, hasn't really touched that. If they can get more people into HDM then it's a good thing, regardless of the side of the fence you're on.
By the way, I couldn't agree with you more about the upscaling to 1080p bit. It's bullshit and they ALL know it. I'll take the "Near HD" quality but upconverting to 1080p, umm no.
01-14-2008 09:57 PM #58
Anyway - as for upscaling and Toshiba - why not push it. It's true, it not a lie and for that Aunty and Uncle that already have a huge SD collection, its just that extra bit enticing - not only can the watch all the movies they have in a higher def but can now begin collecting HD DVD's...Hardware in homes will mean demand for discs.
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LOL, a certain hd dvd salesman said last year that the upconversion from the current hd dvd player was as good or better than Blu-ray playback.
There where lots of posts even from hd dvd faithful questioning his sanity that night, and the next day he apoligised and said he was drunk when he posted that info.
Anyone who thinks hd dvd is going anywhere but down the tubes should also be considered drunk or on some heavy drugs.
01-14-2008 10:23 PM #60
I hate to agree with Toshiba on this one but the fact is that Upconversion is almost as good as HD to the average joe, watching his HD on a 42" HDTV at like 8-10 feet away. Even the ones that have larger screens do not see a huge jump in quality and this is HD's biggest problem right now. People just dont see the jump from SD upconversion to HD as that big of a deal and certainly not worth the price and certainly not worth rebuying all of the films they already own in SD DVD. Given that most people have a pretty descent collection of SD DVD's that does not bode well for catalog titles on HD even if HD does start to do well. People will stick to new titles only.
The good news is that human eyes become accustomed to certain levels of visual quality and the more HD people will watch the more they will get used to that quality and hence the worse SD DVD will look when they go back to SD DVD. The problem is that it takes quite awhile for this effect to take place when your switching back and forth between SD and HD and that is what most people are doing.
Everyone knows that this is simply a different marketing approach by Toshiba but the bottom line is its alot more true thn most people will give it credit for.Home Theatre Gear
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