Total standalone HD DVD players after $99 weekend: 420,000

[Grubert]

From Home Media Magazine

Industry sources say that in the three days after Wal-Mart lowered the price of the second-generation HD-A2 player to less than $100, the big discount chain sold 60,000 units. Other chains that matched the price, both in stores and online, brought the total sold to nearly 100,000 units. Add that to the estimated 320,000 dedicated HD DVD players already in homes, and total household penetration is at about 420,000 units — a number format backers expect will exceed 500,000 units by the end of this month.

[Markers]

Hm, don't know...Is that good news or not?

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Markers

Hm, don't know...Is that good news or not?

Back in January, Toshiba said they expected to ship 1.8 million players in North America (link). In June, they lowered their projections to 1 million.

So now they find themselves in November, after an extreme and widespread sale, at less than half their EOY target. Good or bad?

[Markers]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Back in January, Toshiba said they expected to ship 1.8 million players in North America (link). In June, they lowered their projections to 1 million.

So now they find themselves in November, after an extreme and widespread sale, at less than half their EOY target. Good or bad?

a) It's not official, so the numbers could be wrong or "a bit rounded"
b) If it were true it's still 7 weeks to the end of the year

but nevertheless you still have some valid points...Was it End of 2007 or the end of their financial year (whenever that is for Toshiba)?

[taygan315]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Back in January, Toshiba said they expected to ship 1.8 million players in North America (link). In June, they lowered their projections to 1 million.

So now they find themselves in November, after an extreme and widespread sale, at less than half their EOY target. Good or bad?

Nice analysis. I forgot that Toshiba did lower their projections in June. I guess... when you look at the whole picture...its a bit of both, dont you think??

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Markers

but nevertheless you still have some valid points...Was it End of 2007 or the end of their financial year (whenever that is for Toshiba)?

End of 2007 calendar year: http://www.dailytech.com/Toshiba+Low...rticle7648.htm

[Markers]

Originally Posted by Grubert

End of 2007.

Okay, then the boys will have to get in gears to get the goal of 1 Mio. shipped

[Pimboli]

Originally Posted by Grubert

From Home Media Magazine

Well we know that MS have confirmed that as of September they had sold over 200,000 of the 360 add ons which wouldnt be considered a 'dedicated' player so that means the number will be nearer 700k by the end of the month

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Pimboli

Well we know that MS have confirmed that as of September they had sold over 200,000 of the 360 add ons which wouldnt be considered a 'dedicated' player so that means the number will be nearer 700k by the end of the month

The estimate was by Toshiba, not the HD DVD PRG.

It applied to Toshiba players.

The add-on is not a Toshiba product.

Hence, it doesn't count for the fulfilment of the estimate.

The estimate of the HD DVD PRG for total players (including all brands, laptops and the Xbox add-on) was 2.5 milliion by the end of 2007: http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect....d_ces_2007.pdf

[Pimboli]

Originally Posted by Grubert

The estimate was by Toshiba, not the HD DVD PRG.

It applied to Toshiba players.

The add-on is not a Toshiba product.

Hence, it doesn't count for the fulfilment of the estimate.

The estimate of the HD DVD PRG for total players (including all brands, laptops and the Xbox add-on) was 2.5 milliion by the end of 2007: http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect....d_ces_2007.pdf

Noted.

It still does look better for HD DVD than it did a few months back, another A2 sale, if they actually have any left and they should top 1m players(including the 360 add on)

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Pimboli

Noted.

It still does look better for HD DVD than it did a few months back, another A2 sale, if they actually have any left and they should top 1m players(including the 360 add on)

I think another big Wal-Mart sale on Black Friday is a given. That would put them above half a million. Then another 100K in December are pretty doable. That's 620K, total standalones by the end of the year.

As to add-on sales, barring any good offers such as the Heroes bundle at Best Buy, they are pretty much dead in the water. With luck, they'll sell 50K-70K more. Total add-ons under 300K.

[Markers]

Originally Posted by Grubert

I think another big Wal-Mart sale on Black Friday is a given. That would put them above half a million. Then another 100K in December are pretty doable. That's 620K, total standalones by the end of the year.

A conservative estimate but I can somewhat agree to it

Originally Posted by Grubert

As to add-on sales, barring any good offers such as the Heroes bundle at Best Buy, they are pretty much dead in the water. With luck, they'll sell 50K-70K more. Total add-ons under 300K.

Do you have a link for that? I was under the impression that the addon is above 300K already...

[B.Greenway]

Originally Posted by Grubert

So now they find themselves in November, after an extreme and widespread sale, at less than half their EOY target. Good or bad?

I dunno, has the competition sold 90k stand-alone players in a three day span?

[B.Greenway]

Originally Posted by Grubert

As to add-on sales, barring any good offers such as the Heroes bundle at Best Buy, they are pretty much dead in the water. With luck, they'll sell 50K-70K more. Total add-ons under 300K.

"dead in the water" heh interesting way of describing a player that's already outsold all BD stand-alones to date.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by B.Greenway

"dead in the water" heh interesting way of describing a player that's already outsold all BD stand-alones to date.

First off, the add-on is not a player. It's a console accessory.

Who would buy a console accessory if you can buy a proper player for nearly the same price?