Blu-ray Hacked- Burn Movies To Your PS3

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by MichaelHDDVD

Let me rephrase, any format which people actually use. Otherwise what is the point?

Because people actually use SACDs, the point is that SACD hasn't been cracked, thus refuting your earlier statement that every format on the market has been cracked.

I completely agree that it is because of the PC side. Anything that can be used on a PC can be cracked.

[MichaelHDDVD]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Because people actually use SACDs, the point is that SACD hasn't been cracked, thus refuting your earlier statement that every format on the market has been cracked.

I completely agree that it is because of the PC side. Anything that can be used on a PC can be cracked.

I'm don't want to waste the time tearing your fanboy arguement down again.

If it is out there it can be cracked. Get over it

[Blurry]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Because people actually use SACDs, the point is that SACD hasn't been cracked, thus refuting your earlier statement that every format on the market has been cracked.

I completely agree that it is because of the PC side. Anything that can be used on a PC can be cracked.

Technically, even DVD-Audio has not been fully cracked and it is playable on PCs. There is a convoluted mechanism where the underlying PCM tracks can extracted by intercepting the audio stream on certain software, but it is messy and loses the integrity of the original files - basically you are extracting the music without the extras. There is not way to copy the original DVD-Audio in its entirety and play it back on a DVD-Audio player in its original form.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by MichaelHDDVD

I'm don't want to waste the time tearing your fanboy arguement down again.

If it is out there it can be cracked. Get over it

You didn't tear down anything. SACD hasn't been cracked....and it is out there. I'm sorry that you're wrong, but sometimes those are the things in life you just have to deal with.

Originally Posted by Blurry

Technically, even DVD-Audio has not been fully cracked and it is playable on PCs. There is a convoluted mechanism where the underlying PCM tracks can extracted by intercepting the audio stream on certain software, but it is messy and loses the integrity of the original files - basically you are extracting the music without the extras. There is not way to copy the original DVD-Audio in its entirety and play it back on a DVD-Audio player in its original form.

As long as it doesn't have a Verance watermark it can be cracked.
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/ne...umber=14550899
I know the method you're speaking of though and I agree that it is messy. I have seen the same thing done with SACD and torrented at 16/48 - it is a far cry from what the actual SACD sounds like.

[Blurry]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

You didn't tear down anything. SACD hasn't been cracked....and it is out there. I'm sorry that you're wrong, but sometimes those are the things in life you just have to deal with.

As long as it doesn't have a Verance watermark it can be cracked.
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/ne...umber=14550899
I know the method you're speaking of though and I agree that it is messy. I have seen the same thing done with SACD and torrented at 16/48 - it is a far cry from what the actual SACD sounds like.

The link you posted is actually what I was talking about. You cannot directly decrypt the audio files, the WinDVD hack allows the PCM stream to be intercepted after MLP decoding which then needs to be recompressed to something else. Any additional content in the DVD-Audio layer is lost. And you are correct, the watermark stays intact which will still cause it to fail in DVD-Audio players.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Blurry

The link you posted is actually what I was talking about. You cannot directly decrypt the audio files, the WinDVD hack allows the PCM stream to be intercepted after MLP decoding which then needs to be recompressed to something else. Any additional content in the DVD-Audio layer is lost. And you are correct, the watermark stays intact which will still cause it to fail in DVD-Audio players.

Ah okay - I know some people that have taken the analog out and recorded it at 16/48 and then torrented it. There are lots of DVD-A and SACD rips done this way, but the fidelity is lost.

That article linked seems to suggest that most of the early titles can be ripped that way as there is no watermark, but maybe the technical side is going over my head?

[Blurry]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Ah okay - I know some people that have taken the analog out and recorded it at 16/48 and then torrented it. There are lots of DVD-A and SACD rips done this way, but the fidelity is lost.

Yes, it seems pointless to do it that way if you are really a hi-rez audio enthusiast. Too much data loss in the process, IMO.

Originally Posted by dobyblue

That article linked seems to suggest that most of the early titles can be ripped that way as there is no watermark, but maybe the technical side is going over my head?

They can, but just the audio. And it is not that they cracked the DRM, they simply managed to intercept the decoded PCM stream. Since the discussion was about DRM being easy to hack on a PC, I thought it was relevant to point this out since technically the DRM itself was not hacked. This also prevents the DVD-Audio to be copied in its original form, all extras in the DVD-Audio layer are lost.

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by eastx

Indeed, although one can also look at it as Sony limiting fair use.

Nobody *has* to allow their format to be used for other purposes besides its intended purpose. SACDs are for listening to, and that's all you can do with them. I kind of wish the same applied to HD-DVDs and BR discs, but you'd have to have another media format for PCs in that case.

By fair use I meant creating a perfect 1:1 backup copy.

[eastx]

Oh, yeah, it is nice to have backups... legitimate ones. Still, if it was totally illegal to back up disc media, it wouldn't affect me at all. I take care of my things. ~ ~
Err, except for ripping CDs, that is. I much prefer ripping my own CDs to buying MP3s and dealing with DRM nonsense. So I guess I'd be hit in that area after all.

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by eastx

Oh, yeah, it is nice to have backups... legitimate ones. Still, if it was totally illegal to back up disc media, it wouldn't affect me at all. I take care of my things. ~ ~
Err, except for ripping CDs, that is. I much prefer ripping my own CDs to buying MP3s and dealing with DRM nonsense. So I guess I'd be hit in that area after all.

Exactly. I purchase CD's and rip them to my iPod manually instead of purchasing tracks off iTunes, mainly because I can get much higher-quality rips (the iTunes stuff is 128kbps CBR). Plus yeah, DRM sucks.

[Xyz123]

Originally Posted by Feyd

Exactly. I purchase CD's and rip them to my iPod manually instead of purchasing tracks off iTunes, mainly because I can get much higher-quality rips (the iTunes stuff is 128kbps CBR). Plus yeah, DRM sucks.

128 is just brutal, mp3, wma, or aac. Napster now has 192 WMA CBR- which is pretty good (problem is Ipod doesn't play WMA and you can't use their subscription service either), Rhapsody has 160 Wma or 128 AAC with new update.

I rip my CD's also at 192 minimum VBR, highest quality setting (averages like 220 or so, depending on complexity of music - sometimes a lot more, sometimes a little less). I can't really hear difference between these files and CD at this point. I won't buy 128 no matter what. I'm one of those Ipod owners that plan to make ZERO music purchases from Itunes.

[Bruuce]

I dunno if you can do this is Itunes, but with Napster you can download the tracks to your computer, burn them on a CD, and then rip the tracks to mp3 format. So if you really want to just buy the tracks of Napster and then put them on your Ipod, you can do that.

[dobyblue]

There is firmware support for iPod that will allow for .flac support with no gaps between tracks. This way you can keep your files lossless and at roughly 50% of the size.