Toshiba Responds to Sony Stand-Alone Player Claims

[MikeRox]

I wonder how the stand alone market will look now that HD DVD is no longer "definitely finished in the next few weeks/months" there will probably be a renewed confidence in the format with the paramount deal, some major exclusive titles coming out and all this propelled further by an even better movie bundle on Toshiba 3rd Gen players and a "dirt cheap" alternative stand alone hitting the market as well.

Then theres the "finally getting going" marketing campaign on top.

[Thulium]

Originally Posted by Volume 11

And if Soy didnt trojan horse the PS3 you would be busy arguing about which HD DVD player is the best.

And if Toshiba didn't break away from every other consumer electronics manufacturer, change the voting rules for the DVD Forum, or give payoffs to studios to stop supporting their competition... You would be busy arguing whether Star Wars or LoTR looks better on a 50gb disc.

If Sony didn't put Blu-ray in the PS3, there still would be no arguing about which HD DVD player is the best. That's easy: Toshiba. Nobody else makes a HD DVD player.

[Turog625]

Originally Posted by Volume 11

So in summation, Sony makes a baseless claim then "declines" to prove it or elaborate...

Toshiba comes back and states factual information anyone can look up...

And somehow Sony is still right....

This board rules.

Ok given Toshiba's own numbers they say they have YTD 55% of stand alone sales, a couple months ago it was 60%, and they said earlier in the year it was more like 70% didn't they. Given the numbers TOSHIBA provided how'd BD stand alone numbers narrow so much if BD didn't start to overtake? Common sense suggests.... well I hope you know what it suggests

[Fozziwig]

Originally Posted by Grubert

So, for the figures-impaired crowd.

Toshiba says that year-to-date percentages are 55% HD, 42% BD, 3% DF. Sony has never said anything about that.

Sony has said that Blu-ray Disc set-top players have begun out-selling HD DVD set-top players.

Which is true.

Is that a trick question?

It appears that neither side have actually contested the others figures. Consequently we can presume that both are correct.

Blu-ray standalones could not match the sales of the cheap Toshibas in Q1 & Q2 of 2007. However it seems that since the launch of the new Sony & Panasonic models weekly BD player sales have overtaken HD DVD players sales (in unit numbers).

Toshiba's YTD lead remains intact for now.

Oh and BTW:

If any member posts sales data anywhere other than the sales data sub-forum, you will receive a 3 day ban. If after that ban you continue to post sales data on the smackdown main page, the punishemt will increase exponentially.

See you in 3 days Jed..

I knew that rule wouldn't last more than a few nanoseconds...

[Aareco]

Originally Posted by messin18

It's the wording sony used. They didn't say for the first time in 17 months all of the blu-ray manufacturers COMBINED finally outsold Toshiba for 1 month.

Even if this is true so what? HD DVD has back-up coming.

The $199 player by xmas, Onkyo's new player, and the third generation of Toshiba's drives with new free movies and Monday night football advertising. I have no doubt hd dvd will continue to lead in overall player sales for a long long long time.

Dont get me wrong ive got nothing against the format its just the crap behind it all.
Im right on the edge of going neutral,with the release of the third gen tosh players with 1.3a support (i know we dont need it) in the pipe line im all set to get the E35 (European version of the A35).I can warrent the £300-£400 ($800) price tag.
Things are not as cheap here in the UK as in the USA and Canada so HD DVD is not winning the price war here.

[MikeRox]

It's absolutely nuking Blu Ray in the price war here. You only need to look online, cheapest HD DVD (E1) can be had for £179.99 with 2 movies at various online sites such as play.com and overclockers.co.uk

Amazon charge £209.99 for the E1 with 2 movies (via rebate). Cheapest Blu Ray player was over £400.

[glocks out]

Originally Posted by Turog625

They did not prove Sony wrong, they proved them right. Sony claimed in the last 12 weeks they outsold HD DVD standalones and Toshiba countered with YTD numbers. So yes, Sony was right or Toshiba would have claimed something about the last 12 weeks.

That's a good point. They didn't say Sony was wrong, they simply "reiterated" the YTD numbers.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Volume 11

Got a link...

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh..._Dominance/943

Originally Posted by Toshiba

While the competition may claim leadership based on one month of data, Toshiba has had continued sales leadership in every month since the original HD DVD players launched 17 months ago.

Originally Posted by Volume 11

or will I get another baseless statement from you?

Volume 11, I don't remember often corresponding to you, but you have always struck me as an individual uncannily impervious to reason and evidence. Hence, any further elaboration on my part would be a waste of bits and keyboard life. Consequently, kindly ignore all my posts and do not respond to them. I shall happily extend you the same courtesy.

[glocks out]

Originally Posted by supra2jzgte

Though it didn't mention PS3 in the article, I wouldn't be suprised if Sony was including the PS3 in there little round up.

See, I've seen people say this but it's totally bogus because Sony would then be inferring that Toshiba has sold over a million players, which they haven't.

[Motorheadache]

I still don't see what the point of arguing over who is selling the most stand-alone players. Who cares? What matters is how many people own a device that plays the discs and are using them to buy said discs.
As for everybody who says "If it weren't for Sony using the PS3 as a trojan horse, the war would be over!" So what? That has about as much merit as saying: "If Toshiba had a mind-control device ordering everyone to buy HD-DVDs, this war would be over!" And what about Toshiba putting HD-DVD drives in all their computers? Aren't they using PCs as a trojan horse? Are you guys against that?

[HD Guru]

Originally Posted by Grubert

So, for the figures-impaired crowd.

Toshiba says that year-to-date percentages are 55% HD, 42% BD, 3% DF. Sony has never said anything about that.

Sony has said that Blu-ray Disc set-top players have begun out-selling HD DVD set-top players.

Which is true.

i know - toshiba didn't actually refute anything, in fact they admitted sony's numbers were true by saying that sony's claim was not based on format launch, which sony already stated - 12 weeks.

toshiba feels the noose tightening

[divian]

Originally Posted by Grubert

So, for the figures-impaired crowd.

Toshiba says that year-to-date percentages are 55% HD, 42% BD, 3% DF. Sony has never said anything about that.

Sony has said that Blu-ray Disc set-top players have begun out-selling HD DVD set-top players.

Which is true.

Give us numbers...and not Sony BS.
I mena NPD numbers...something impartial...otherwise nothing is true.

[roberto]

12 weeks of sales means that Blu-Ray has been leading since the end of June.

However, 55 percent is still less than I expected.

[MikeRox]

Does this mean if HD DVD eventually gets 1 week where it outsells Blu Ray disc sales, Toshiba can start bragging "and our disc sales are now better than Blu Rays" at a future conference?

[ckelly79]

Originally Posted by Volume 11

What does that comment have to do with Toshiba factually proving Sony's statement is false?

If anyone is nervous its Sony.

They lost Paramount, they wont have a sub $200 player on the marker for the holiday and they wont be advertised on Sunday Night Football...

The SDF can only keep BD afloat for so long.

Toshiba didn't prove Sony's statement false. Sony said last 3 months, toshiba said up through july.