Toshiba Responds to Sony Stand-Alone Player Claims

[nexpos]

What does that comment have to do with Toshiba factually proving Sony's statement is false?

If anyone is nervous its Sony.

They lost Paramount, they wont have a sub $200 player on the marker for the holiday and they wont be advertised on Sunday Night Football...

The SDF can only keep BD afloat for so long.

Toshiba, Toshiba, Toshiba. If Toshiba wasn't the sole company making the HD DVD player, no one would own one of their players. No HD DVD fan will ever be truly excited about a Toshiba product other than a player. Every piece of home theatre equipment they've ever made has been second-rate to most, if not all manufacturers.

Come on people.

[Thulium]

Thanks, Toshiba, for reminding us that even though you sell your players below cost and often at nearly half the price of all the competing brands....You can still manage to get just over 50% of the standalone market...most of the time.

Hahahahahaha!!!

Too bad that having just over 50% of the standalones only gets you about 33% of the gross revenue from standalons or 33% of software sales. ..."Attach rates" indeed!

[Volume 11]

So, for the figures-impaired crowd.

Toshiba says that year-to-date percentages are 55% HD, 42% BD, 3% DF. Sony has never said anything about that.

Sony has said that Blu-ray Disc set-top players have begun out-selling HD DVD set-top players.

Which is true.

Its true? Can you please provide a link with a source that clearly shows the over all sales numbers for both formats SA players?

Then can you please tell me how accurate those numbers are considering that Amazon isnt included and the A2 has been a top seller for some time now while bd players have not?

Then explain how the cheapest Bd model (that is still DOUBLE the price of the cheapest HD DVD model) magically began to outsell the A2 or any other model for that matter.

Prove it...

[messin18]

They didn't prove sonys statment to be false ,just like a politician they dodged the subjest .
saying tosh has had the best sales from inception.



"While the competition may claim leadership based on one month of data, Toshiba has had continued sales leadership in every month since the original HD DVD players launched 17 months ago"

It's the wording sony used. They didn't say for the first time in 17 months all of the blu-ray manufacturers COMBINED finally outsold Toshiba for 1 month.

Even if this is true so what? HD DVD has back-up coming.

The $199 player by xmas, Onkyo's new player, and the third generation of Toshiba's drives with new free movies and Monday night football advertising. I have no doubt hd dvd will continue to lead in overall player sales for a long long long time.

[Volume 11]

Toshiba, Toshiba, Toshiba. If Toshiba wasn't the sole company making the HD DVD player, no one would own one of their players. No HD DVD fan will ever be truly excited about a Toshiba product other than a player. Every piece of home theatre equipment they've ever made has been second-rate to most, if not all manufacturers.

Come on people.

And if Soy didnt trojan horse the PS3 you would be busy arguing about which HD DVD player is the best.

I fail to see how your point or my own has anything to do with the FUD Sony constantly spreads..

Or how any of youcan prove it, considering the quote giver "declined" to do so.

[Thulium]

My favorite part:

"...the competition may claim leadership..."

[Turog625]

The key word is "claim". The next keyword is "declined", in reference to what is specifically represented with the chart.

So again, Sony did nothing but make another PR statement they will bite them in the arse...

I'm still waiting for the 4th dimension of gaming...and Im still working my second job to buy a PS3 even if they don't release games...Im disciplined.

I'll say it again, if it wasn't true then Toshiba would have directly countered their point about the last 12 weeks and not brought up the whole year. Don't be so blind. If the YTD stand alone % has greatly narrowed how'd that happen if BD didn't start to overtake HD DVD stand alones?

[Volume 11]

So in summation, Sony makes a baseless claim then "declines" to prove it or elaborate...

Toshiba comes back and states factual information anyone can look up...

And somehow Sony is still right....

This board rules.

[nexpos]

It's the wording sony used. They didn't say for the first time in 17 months all of the blu-ray manufacteries COMBINED finally outsold toshiba for 1 month.

Even if this is true so what? HD DVD has back up comeing.

The $199 player by xmas, Onkyo's new player, and the third generation of toshiba's drives with new free movies and monday night football advertiseing. I have no doubt hd dvd will continue to lead in overall player sales for a long long long time.

That's a backup? Are you kidding? Some second-rate player that probably doesn't even include AAs with the remote? Of course Blu Ray will change their free movies scheme, they just wait for HD DVD to do it first, and then learn from it. Monday Night Football Advertising? Since when do big football fans watch every single commerical during the breaks?

Man oh man, this nonsense just perpetuates. Don't you think manufacturers want to actually make money off of their players? BD offers that. Toshiba is probably losing a ton of money from subsidizing their players. What manufacturer wants to go crazy making non-profitable players?

[Cap'n Neutrality]

While the competition may claim leadership based on one month of data, Toshiba has had continued sales leadership in every month since the original HD DVD players launched 17 months ago.

"You got a month. Good for you. We've been leading from the beginning up 'til then. In the meantime, hypocritically, we'll continue to ignore BD's 2-1 disc sales lead for the last ten months because all we need is one good one."

Keeping it in perspective, if HD DVD captured a single month of disc sales in the last few, yeah, like we wouldn't hear crowing from the rooftops.

There'd be press release after press release.

[Grubert]

Volume 11, Toshiba openly admits Blu-ray standalones are selling better recently. I suggest you do the same.

[Volume 11]

I'll say it again, if it wasn't true then Toshiba would have directly countered their point about the last 12 weeks and not brought up the whole year. Don't be so blind. If the YTD stand alone % has greatly narrowed how'd that happen if BD didn't start to overtake HD DVD stand alones?

Maybe thats why I cant see any proof to Sony's statement...Im blind...

Or maybe because its BS that they cant prove, because if they could have they would have, especially at Cedia with literally no other good news and HD DVD spread eagle ass-raping BD left and right the past few weeks...

[Volume 11]

Volume 11, Toshiba openly admits Blu-ray standalones are selling better recently. I suggest you do the same.

Got a link...or will I get another baseless statement from you?

[DeanWG]

Good lord . . . is math even being taught in schools anymore?

If, at the beginning of the year, Toshiba had 70% of the Stand Alone market, and in July they had 55% of the market, that means that they are being OUTSOLD since January by Blu-ray. This isn't rocket science here.

The PS3 has absolutely nothing to do with this. If it WAS considered by Sony, their statement would have been something like "Blu-Ray sells more players in a month than HD-DVD has all year." Clearly that wasn't the case.

There is a segment of people, myself included, that doesn't even own a player in this debate, apparently. Apparently I buy movies for no reason according to the HD-DVD group.

[jadedeath]

Volume 11, Toshiba openly admits Blu-ray standalones are selling better recently. I suggest you do the same.

He'll cling to the HD-DVD book of better housekeeping until he's old and grey, insisting that he doesn't want to get a neural transmitter because he's afraid of Sony rootkits.

Logan