BD Financial Incentives The Truth or not?

[Pimboli]

So the studios were given a Yes/No Question. See link

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news...f_Question/919

Fox & Warner say no, obviously WB being nutral would say that. Sony & MGM said No which is true, I mean why would you pay yourself to support your own format!!!!

Disney said 'No Comment' which is a 'Yes' and lets not pretend otherwise or he would have said No.

So now we know that Disney has been bought off are the BD fanboys going to take back the abuse of Paramount???

[corduroygt]

I'm sure the "no comment" statement is just as valid as NYT and WSJ reporting that Paramount was paid $150 million for switching in the maroon world, but in the real world, things are different.

[Pimboli]

Originally Posted by corduroygt

I'm sure the "no comment" statement is just as valid as NYT and WSJ reporting that Paramount was paid $150 million for switching in the maroon world, but in the real world, things are different.

I believe Paramount were paid an incentive, it just wasnt paid by MS which is what everyone claimed.

[corduroygt]

Originally Posted by Pimboli

I believe Paramount were paid an incentive, it just wasnt paid by MS which is what everyone claimed.

Of course it wasn't by MS, MS probably just gave them incentives such as free VC-1 encodes and HDi authoring, but the checks were from Toshiba.

[Pimboli]

Originally Posted by corduroygt

Of course it wasn't by MS, MS probably just gave them incentives such as free VC-1 encodes and HDi authoring, but the checks were from Toshiba.

But again my point was the fanboys were on here last week taking some high moral ground on the subject while they were stading in quicksand!

[corduroygt]

Originally Posted by Pimboli

But again my point was the fanboys were on here last week taking some high moral ground on the subject while they were stading in quicksand!

Because paying off another studio to NOT release in another format is a vile practice that will get you hated and also a lot of bad karma if you believe in such sort of thing. I personally wish that money becomes hospital money to all parties receiving it. It doesn't benefit BD or HDDVD customers AT ALL. They just paid to screw BD customers, while HDDVD owners aren't getting anything new. I'd actually applaud Toshiba instead of hating them if they paid off disney/fox to go neutral instead, and HDDVD owners would also benefit from new titles. Similarly, if the BDA is thinking of a counter move, I'd rather have them get Warner to release Matrix, Batman Begins on BD instead of trying to buy exclusivity, or get Universal to be neutral.

[joey0480]

This is not supposed to be fair. They are pushing to be the winning format, and whether it hurts consumers of the opposite format or not, it does not matter to them.

Toshiba doesn't care for blu ray supporters. They are the enemy. Only winners now are neutral supporters.

[corduroygt]

Originally Posted by joey0480

This is not supposed to be fair. They are pushing to be the winning format, and whether it hurts consumers of the opposite format or not, it does not matter to them.

Toshiba doesn't care for blu ray supporters. They are the enemy. Only winners now are neutral supporters.

True, but they could have chosen to help their supporters by buying neutrality from a studio instead of screwing the opponent. I'm sure it would have helped HD-DVD sales more too. That's why I personally hate toshiba and I am proud to say that I don't own any Toshiba CE's, and I advise all my friends and family to stay away from them.

[joey0480]

Understood, but, from their perspective, neutrality won't win. You have to take something from your opponent so they can't use it anymore. Thus Paramount and DW....

and for all we know, they could have tried to persuade disney for example and got shut down.

You're in a war...you have a pistol, your opponent has a shotgun...you manage to get the shotgun from them...who has the advantage?

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by joey0480

This is not supposed to be fair. They are pushing to be the winning format, and whether it hurts consumers of the opposite format or not, it does not matter to them.

Toshiba doesn't care for blu ray supporters. They are the enemy. Only winners now are neutral supporters.

My main problem with their strategy, and I believe many Blu-ray supporters would agree with me, is their timing.

It would have been one thing if Paramount/Dreamworks was HD DVD exclusive from the beginning of this format war, like Universal is, and how Fox, Disney, Lionsgate , and MGM have been exclusive to Blu-ray from the beginning.

It is another thing when a company, which was neutral from the beginning, suddenly,and for mysterious reasons, sides exclusively with the side that was falling like a rock. Toshiba had to do something big, as their format was on the clear path to failure, and to their credit, they did indeed do something big.

Now, it will come down to the 4th Quarter. We shall see if their gamble pays off.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by corduroygt

True, but they could have chosen to help their supporters by buying neutrality from a studio instead of screwing the opponent. I'm sure it would have helped HD-DVD sales more too. That's why I personally hate toshiba and I am proud to say that I don't own any Toshiba CE's, and I advise all my friends and family to stay away from them.

Are you a dual format supporter?

Do you really believe all the studios aren't given money or some type of incentives to be exclusive or neutral?

[zombiequest]

Can we move on from this topic... It's been posted like 4 times already... go back and respond to the other posts instead of beating a dead horse already... better yet, write a novel on the conference and compete with OJ's "If I did it"... both would probably be as entertaining... and wouldn't make people go 'does this dude concentrate on anything else these days?'

[HD Guru]

Originally Posted by zombiequest

Can we move on from this topic... It's been posted like 4 times already... go back and respond to the other posts instead of beating a dead horse already...

no doubt - nothing new to see here, no pics, no new news, nothing

[Pimboli]

Originally Posted by joey0480

Understood, but, from their perspective, neutrality won't win. You have to take something from your opponent so they can't use it anymore. Thus Paramount and DW....

and for all we know, they could have tried to persuade disney for example and got shut down.

You're in a war...you have a pistol, your opponent has a shotgun...you manage to get the shotgun from them...who has the advantage?

Totally agree, we saw last night when Disney were asked about financial incentives they said 'No comment' whereas the other companies said No. That means HD DVD would have had to offer a lot to get them to go Nutral as apart from Sony themselves Disneys titles are very important.

Paramount were got BECAUSE they were nutrual as they were effectively up for grabs. So are WB but in reality if Paramount/DW was gotten for $150m WB would need something like $500m to flip and no-one is dumb enough to pay that for such a niche market at the moment

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

It would have been one thing if Paramount/Dreamworks was HD DVD exclusive from the beginning of this format war, like Universal is, and how Fox, Disney, Lionsgate , and MGM have been exclusive to Blu-ray from the beginning.

It is another thing when a company, which was neutral from the beginning, suddenly,and for mysterious reasons, sides exclusively with the side that was falling like a rock. Toshiba had to do something big, as their format was on the clear path to failure, and to their credit, they did indeed do something big.

Now comming from a fanboy, i would have thought you would have at least known simple facts

• Paramount was originally HD-DVD exclusive(as was warner)

After having read the forums for a good 8 months, i finally caved in and had to correct someone.