View Poll Results: What will Bluray do in 2012, YOY sell through?

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  • More than 20% Growth. Better than 2011

    13 33.33%
  • 10% - 19%

    19 48.72%
  • 5% - 9%

    4 10.26%
  • 1%-4% Barely above flat.

    2 5.13%
  • Flat to negative

    1 2.56%
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverado View Post
    That would be a good number. No way it will be better than 5% though.
    The final numbers are in and the DEG says BD growth was 10%

    Quote Originally Posted by silverado View Post
    I think it is 2% now as I write this.
    It wasn't, so you were an embarrassing 0-2
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post
    The final numbers are in and the DEG says BD growth was 10%



    It wasn't, so you were an embarrassing 0-2
    10%??? I think you will find that was damn close to my estimate last year. However, the 2% statement was the difference in growth comparing last years revised numbers with this years for a week in Q4, so that is an obvious error that you felt was embarrassing.
    I was pretty sure that the number came/will come around 9%, but that could be incorrect ( apparently the obvious has to be pointed out here).

    I voted between 10-19% and quoted that I felt it would be closer to 10%. I searched for your vote but could not find it, so you felt my estimate was embarrassing, but you voted for nothing and think it is ok to attack someone on their estimate. No wonder this place is a freakin ghost town.

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    Try not to hit anything as you're backpedaling from your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post
    Try not to hit anything as you're backpedaling from your post.
    I stated that I made on obvious error in my 2% statement, but apparently that went over your head and claim that I am now backpedaling from my original statement in which I have stated (third time now) that I made an error, I was wrong, incorrect, etc.... which I have now revised to state a percentage that is close to my original estimate.
    That means this years final number was hella close to my original vote/quote. I don't care if I make a mistake as long as it is corrected.
    Now if you could come up with an answer as to why you feel the need to attack me when you have not voted at all on this thread? Didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverado View Post
    I stated that I made on obvious error in my 2% statement, but apparently that went over your head and claim that I am now backpedaling from my original statement in which I have stated (third time now) that I made an error, I was wrong, incorrect, etc.... which I have now revised to state a percentage that is close to my original estimate.
    That means this years final number was hella close to my original vote/quote. I don't care if I make a mistake as long as it is corrected.
    Now if you could come up with an answer as to why you feel the need to attack me when you have not voted at all on this thread? Didn't think so.
    Status quo with that guy. He probably expected BIG numbers for Bluray and is very disgruntled with poor Bluray sales.
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    I was spot on. In other news. HMV and Play in the U.K. are shutting doors. The home video market is in a nose dive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipvideo View Post
    I was spot on. In other news. HMV and Play in the U.K. are shutting doors. The home video market is in a nose dive.
    HMV are still trading in administration, Blockbuster UK has gone the same way too. Home video on the high-street is certainly in trouble, but the UK market faired relatively well last year and a lot of HMV's woes have been caused by on-line sales and the supermarkets muscling in.

    Rental is the one really suffering, Blockbuster are the last major rental chain, if they do close there's no Redbox to take up the slack, that basically leaves lovefilm and independents. Though I really hadn't realised how quickly Lovefilm's disk-by-mail service had grown - from nowhere in 2008 to 40% of the disk rental market came as quite a shock. I doubt LoveFilm can capture all of Blockbuster's ~35%, and that'll probably mean a relatively large loss for the studios since they control the distribution here.

    Play.com is completely different, they're in a fairly unique situation which doesn't apply to other on-line retailers. They relied on a Channel Island tax loophole to avoid paying 20% VAT on music and movie sales, enabling them to undercut other on-line retailers and still take higher margins. When the loophole closed last year they continued to compete on price (they were usually still cheaper than Amazon for example), but that meant they had to absorb an effective 20% rise in costs.

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    Default 8.9% YOY increase in sales of Blu-ray discs in the UK

    Hardly a disaster:

    14th January 2013: Figures published today by the British Video Association show that James Cameronís ground-breaking film Avatar from Twentieth Century Fox becomes the first title to sell over 1 million copies on the high definition Blu-ray Disc. More people than ever before are now enjoying the Blu-ray experience, as sales in 2012 of Blu-ray Discs rose by 8.9% in volume compared to 2011. Sales of Blu-ray Discs increased their share of the Top 10 Films in 2012 to 30.1% compared with 25.8% in 2011 and, with over 4,800 titles of all genres now available on Blu-ray Disc, there is no shortage of choice.

    2012 also saw Blu-ray player sales continue to rise up 8.3% with more 3D BD players being purchased than standard Blu-ray models . With over 2 million 3DTVs now in UK homes there has also been a substantial rise in 3D Blu-ray Disc sales, up 188% on the previous year, as audiences enjoy viewing more quality 3D content.

    Commenting on todayís figures, Lavinia Carey, Director General of the BVA said:
    ď2012 saw more consumers discovering the Blu-ray and 3D Blu-ray high definition experience. Blu-ray is the best way to enjoy video entertainment and as it becomes more affordable increasing numbers of consumers are up-grading their hardware and software. The 18.5% rise in Blu-ray Disc catalogue sales shows that people are watching their favourite titles, old and new in high definition. Recent releases also show that 3D Blu-ray titles are doing well where they appeal to a particular audience and tend to perform best in sci-fi, animated/CGI and drama spectaculars. Thatís when video viewers who have large HD and 3D TV screens really benefit from the special effects and wonderful picture and sound quality that only comes on a Blu-ray Disc.Ē
    The Official Blu-ray Disc Chart shows 2012ís Top 10 best sellers by volume:

    Title Company
    1 The Dark Knight Rises Warner Home Video
    2 Avengers Assemble Walt Disney Studios
    3 Prometheus 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
    4 Sherlock Holmes - A Game Of Shadows Warner Home Video
    5 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
    6 The Hunger Games Lionsgate
    7 The Twilight Saga - Breaking Dawn - Part 1 eOne Entertainment
    8 Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Ė Part 2 Warner Home Video
    9 Ted Universal Pictures (UK)
    10 Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol Paramount Home Entertainment
    Source: Official Charts Company/BVA. Titles in bold include box-sets.

    The Official 3D Blu-ray Disc Chart shows 2012ís Top 10 best sellers by volume:
    1 Hugo EIV
    2 Prometheus 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
    3 Avengers Assemble Walt Disney Studios
    4 Underworld Awakening EIV
    5 Avatar 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
    6 Ghost Rider- Spirit of Vengeance eOne Entertainment
    7 Wrath of the Titans Warner Home Video
    8 The Three Musketeers eOne Entertainment
    9 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
    10 The Adventures of Tintin Ė The Secret of the Unicorn Paramount Home Entertainment
    Source: Official Charts Company/BVA. Titles in bold include box-sets.
    http://www.bva.org.uk/news-press-rel...s-blu-ray-disc
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    It looks to me like there are more than 8-10% more units being moved, we have just seen more cheaper catalog titles being sold as the format starts to hit market saturation. I would suspect unit growth would be much higher than 8-10%.

    Still some room to grow in 2013, but we are hitting year 7 of the format (hard to believe) so I suspect we will see things level off than slowly decline over the next 3-5 years for the format. By that time I can see 4K titles coming on Blu-Ray and download/streaming and that will become the next big videophile format. Probably won't be as big as Blu-Ray, but it will be big enough for studios and CE's to push it and make money.

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