Rip your HD DVD or BR to computer have it seized.

[Sarang]

HR 4279 is a bill that just passed the House Of Representatives on May 9th 410-11. Basically if the copyright holder doesn't approve of you ripping the movie to the computer you will have it seized.
Funny enough it turns out John Conyers is behind this. I never expected him to be a schill for the MPAA.
Call your Senator and tell them to vote against it. We DON'T want this bill passed.
It gets worse as an enforcement wing is created under the Executive Branch from the info I got. Yes to try and enforce this IP bullshit. Am I the only one who smells this ending up like a second Department Of Homeland Security going gung ho?

[Rich86]

One has to wonder how anyone would know if you have ripped one of your movies to your computer without first seizing your computer? Whatever happened to fair use rights? The movie studios will not be satisfied until folks have to pay every time we watch anything - whether we have purchased it or not.

If only our governments used their resources (aka our tax money) to go after the real criminals and scumbags with such zeal . . .

[PIHB]

how does music not fall into this category also

[timego]

so they're going to put a "trojan" which let them know exactly what we are doing with disc? It's like tracking us...so wouldn't it be a violation of privacy?...Sony did it couple years ago (the limited burning thing). To found out, hacker can mimic that same Algorithm. It causes the computer to have more spyware, adware etc... So credit card info and what not will not be safe. That's redundant in my opinion. People will start suing....can you imagine the lawsuit that will be pending if this goes through?

[Liqwid]

Well, this makes sense for BD+, but DVD, HD DVD and CD alike won't be the ones with the problems.

[tranzparentl]

This is ridiculous but of course studios with their deep pockets will get their way like always.

[waterman981]

I'd talk to my Senator, but as it's Orrin Hatch it won't do any good.

[Iggytx]

They can put any Windows Virus they want on my discs, won't affect my machine at all...

[project-blu]

Originally Posted by Iggytx

They can put any Windows Virus they want on my discs, won't affect my machine at all...

same here. MAC ATTACK!

however, i don't rip movies or cd's, so this doesn't concern me, other than it being some new war on "terrorism." just like when the patriot act was used to bust a strip club owner, or when people making meth were busted for "weapons of mass destruction." welcome to the USA, giving up our freedoms for 7 1/2 years for the illusion of security. (god...i hate politics....)

[Trekker4Life]

My computer will never be seized. It's protected by Smith and Wesson.

[CaptainCanuck]

If they make blu rays or s dvd's so they try to contact the internet when being ripped down then you firewall them or just unplug or use a dedicated computer that's not connected to do it.
Or the ripping program devs will find away to thwart it.
There's always ways around.

[intoxicated662]

honestly, why would you even consider ripping an hd dvd/blu ray? think about the time it would take to rip just 1 movie and the hassle(s) you'd go through to just rip it then you'd still have to buy blanks and a burner of capability if you wanted to make a backup copy. not worth it at all I say but that still doesn't give them the right to pass laws like that.

[Trotwood Copperfield]

Originally Posted by waterman981

I'd talk to my Senator, but as it's Orrin Hatch it won't do any good.

Yeah, I used to live in Utah. Hatch is so deep in with the RIAA it's ridiculous. I guess you can only expect him to be in with the MPAA as well.

[JU1CYFRU1T]

Originally Posted by timego

so they're going to put a "trojan" which let them know exactly what we are doing with disc? It's like tracking us...so wouldn't it be a violation of privacy?...Sony did it couple years ago (the limited burning thing). To found out, hacker can mimic that same Algorithm. It causes the computer to have more spyware, adware etc... So credit card info and what not will not be safe. That's redundant in my opinion. People will start suing....can you imagine the lawsuit that will be pending if this goes through?

Sony was using root kits... They are worse than a 'trojan'... because the only way to find them is to 'know they are there'. A virus scan uses a 'find next' command to search for viruses. It starts at the first file on disc, and then has a command that simply says 'find next'. With a root kit, the root kit tells the scanning program 'find next' without actually being scanned... thus it will NOT show up on a scan.

There are ways to find and remove root kits, but it is usually difficult and requires more knowledge that the typical user posses... but yes, I'd assume that they would try to run some kind of root kit that tracks where their files are going. (this is overly simplified... but you get the basics)

Originally Posted by Iggytx

They can put any Windows Virus they want on my discs, won't affect my machine at all...

+2... they won't be getting me with their windows schemes... MBP FTW!!!!

Originally Posted by intoxicated662

honestly, why would you even consider ripping an hd dvd/blu ray? think about the time it would take to rip just 1 movie and the hassle(s) you'd go through to just rip it then you'd still have to buy blanks and a burner of capability if you wanted to make a backup copy. not worth it at all I say but that still doesn't give them the right to pass laws like that.

This statement shows that you are not into the 'ripping community'... not only are people doing it (right now)... but the system is VERY active in breaking every copy protection system the studio comes up with. AACS lasted less than a month (I think), and BD+ only took slightly longer than that (IIRC). Most people are not trying to rip discs so that they can reburn them... they are storing them on a HD. I am getting ready to get into the 'ripping' community, because I want to run all my media (CD, DVD, HD DVD and soon Blu-ray) from a home media server. I won't have to perform the 'disc load shuffle'... just start the media center, select the title, and press play.

OP,
I wonder how this is going to fly with the whole 'managed copy' deal. I have the right to a 'managed copy'... but who is to say that I delete the digital version stored on my machine.

I also agree that this is a violation of privacy, and won't hold up in court. If I am trying to 'make money' from ripping movies... the studio has some form of legal basis... but if I'm simply storing my files as digital archives for personal use, they can't say anything. I don't want to spend ~$20-30 on a movie, and have it rendered useless because my 2 year old son has decided to play 'hockey' with my disc.

Regardless, I will be contacting my government officials.

[Technopath]

Originally Posted by intoxicated662

honestly, why would you even consider ripping an hd dvd/blu ray?

Simple, for a hard drive based library and the original disks as backups.