Forza vs GT

[RedRedSuit]

God that's classic.

I did NOOOOOT! Oh hi Mark.

[Televator]

So in between WI's "switcharoo" tactics, his comically self defeating posts, and that video I think I've found a reason to do hard drugs...

[vinnie97]

Holy wow, this is the thread that neva quits. Largest activity in Game smackdown.

[DaveS1138]

A cool trailer for the North American GT Academy 2011.



Oh PD...... Why do you never do anything for the fans???

[DaveS1138]

Imagine the most ambitious and ridiculously pretentious attempt at pure excellence. Now imagine the biggest possible fail in making this a reality.

Kinect?

(joking )

[Blinx123]

Kinect?

(joking )

That might not be too far fetched after all. Just read an interesting report about the past development of Kinect.

On another note: Does anyone know the starting date for the Signature Edition exclusive contest?

[DaveS1138]

On another note: Does anyone know the starting date for the Signature Edition exclusive contest?

They havent announced it yet. Apparently they will post more details on the European GT site after the games launch.

[michealo]

BS. I just tried to help you and others understand the highly simple statement made from an official source. You are just trying to spin your way out of yet another embarrassing situation. Oflmao INDEED!

you had coldfoot spin your absurd statement as a language barrier issue.......
pwn any socom players with move lately?

Just read my post about him misquoting me. Then, you can read my other posts to see what REALLY happened AND the point. It's pretty easy to get; so naturally Michealo, Badger, and crew didn't get it. Maybe it just had to come from Coldfoot for them to understand and backtrack.

Then, again, they are the crew that believed I thought GT5 ACTUALLY landed on the moon!

now you're blowing our response out of context in order to make your original statement seem less ridiculous. nobody implied you actually thought GT landed on the moon. turning to petulance when painted into a corner is typically right before a meltdown.

I'm amused by the self-parody.

For anyone interested in the original suggestion that GT5's rating should begin at 200/100 if it's going to be docked for certain things when in comparison with competing racing games, I linked to it just a couple posts above

truly hilarious.

[Blinx123]

They havent announced it yet. Apparently they will post more details on the European GT site after the games launch.

I hope the Nurburg event doesn't collide with my parents vacation.

My dad and I are planning to go there. Arriving with our Audi A5, leaving with a brand new Mercedes SLS AMG.

Since GT5 isn't out yet. What's your personal score in GT Concept HD driving a Lotus Elise?

[cuco33]

So why do you keep comparing the two? They couldn't be more different. By the way 9 seconds faster per lap is literally eons in motorsport, it means the slower car will be lapped every 10-15 laps or so. It's like comparing a long distance runner to a sprinter.

In any case, it's a fact that F1 is the most popular motorsport, at least in terms of global TV viewership and fan interest.

Truth be told F1 drivers usually migrate to Le Mans if they can't secure a driving contract in F1 anymore. Looking at this year's results I see Alan McNish, Sebastien Bourdais, Alexander Wurz, Olivier Panis, Frank Montagny and maybe I missed a couple. Jacques Villeneuve also raced there but he was well past his F1 prime by then. I know it's extremely prestigious for any driver to have a Le Mans 24h victory under his belt but you 'll never see an F1 driver at his peak racing there.

Not sure about the vice versa part. Most F1 drivers are usually recruited out of GP2, Formula 3, Formula Renault etc.

I'm only showing coldfoot that it's not a direct A to A comparison. Tires play a huge factor in laptimes which is 1 example where LMP1 cars usually have sticky compounds that last much longer than F1's prime stickier tires, which don't last as long. If they ran the same tires then you'd see lap times being much closer. Factor in the bigger restrictions that LMP cars have in comparison to F1 (which is their attempt at making LMP1 more competitive class) and they can make the lap times on par with each other. Even with the advantage F1 has due to rulings, in some occasions some P1 (and sometimes P2) cars would qualify for certain F1 GPs. Its very close. As an engineer who's a car nut, I love both series but something about LMS that really strikes me having 4 different car classes on a track at once ranging from race prepped 'street' cars to the premier prototypes. F1, as good as it is is rather bland in comparison to the golden era.
9 seconds is a lot in a short track but not in a longer one and not when cars are using different tires, bigger power reducing restrictors, etc. On almost any track in lap vs lap the F1 will usually win but races aren't just 1 lap. In F1 the top 10 are pulling laptimes within tenths or hundredths of a second of each other and even still difference between 1st and last span anywhere from 5-10 seconds. All I was getting at is that both race series are driven by technologies but due to their racing focus you can't do an A to A comparison. I'd bet if a P1 used same tires as an F1, you'd see lap times VERY comparable. The rulings sometimes piss me off though. Audi designed their drivetrain in the R10 to be dropped out super fast in case of repairs or changes and the judges ruled it an advantage.. In the fucking top prototype class! So they made them alter the design the following year. Its just like when Audi's 1st diesel dominated P1, the judges came in with a new rule for the following year to lock in injector geometry thinking they gave an advantage to the gassers. Only what they forgot was that Shell designed the diesel to flow like gas... Instead of a disadvantage for the diesel, they made it an advantage for them. Bunch of other stupid shit too like for ALMS, P1 has to be closed cockpit but the rule was only going to start next season. Tired of always seeing Audi win, ALMS judges enforced the rule basically disqualifying the R10s and R15s. They appealed but judges said its up to peugoet and obviously the frenchies acted french. Audi didn't even show up to a bunch of races this season so it was all about the P2 class for ALMS. And coldfoot would like to know that its mid-engined 'beetle'

I'm not denying the popularity of F1. I loved living in europe last year cuz I was able to catch practice, qualifying and racing sessions in F1, but here in US.. Its all Nascar BS with a few stints here and there of F1, LMS, ALMS, WRC, DTM, etc.

I meant to say other racing series like DTM and LMS but the last big driver to leave F1 for another series was Mantoya and he went to Nascar, unfortunately. The money is there. I actually root for Audi at LMS while hoping that Pedro Lamy's team (ironically Audi's rival, one of the Pug 908s) does well and he was a former F1 driver.

[coldfoot]

you had coldfoot spin your absurd statement as a language barrier issue......

Huh? That was Kaz's statement I was talking about, since he's Japanese you know.

[coldfoot]

Factor in the bigger restrictions that LMP cars have in comparison to F1 (which is their attempt at making LMP1 more competitive class)

What bigger restrictions? And you're also dismissing the difference in tire widths since LMP cars have bigger, wider tires. Don't forget, what separates F1 apart from other series is the Aerodynamics. That's more responsible for the 4g downforce these cars generate on corners.

Stop this silly crusade, F1 is where it's at, and LMP isn't. There's no Porsche in F1.

[WellInformed]

KillZone 2 also proved that more isn't necessarily better. Quite frankly, KillZone 2's multiplayer is pretty mediocre. While Halo 3 (and I presume Halo: Reach as well) lack any kind of flashy or gritty stylistic twists, it's balanced, skill based (far moreso than KillZone 2 and Call of Duty, for example), and it was really all around just better put together than KillZone 2. Yeah, sure KZ2 online looked better and had more players, but that didn't make it good.

At the end of the day, what matters is "Is this game fun?". Of course, in GT5's case we're going to be asking that question multiple times. Is the driving simulation fun? Is the arcade mode fun? Is the Go-Karts mode fun? Is the NASCAR mode fun? Is it's WRC mode fun?

I'm also looking for how the total package comes together. It's really hard to explain, but when you have the staggering feature-set that GT5 has, synergy among those features would be nice. NASCAR cars being drivable on any track, for example, is confirmed and is at least one example of what I'm talking about. I want a game that is a single, powerful experience as opposed to a game with multiple, sectioned off aspects. I'm not saying GT5 isn't going to have that, I'm saying that is what I am really looking for in GT5 since that opportunity is clearly there.

Even if GT5 "synergy" amongst other modes is off, it still adds an option some people will enjoy. There are a lot of people that believe you need more than 8 cars on track for better "synergy" in the game. Some think you need even more than that! Bottom line is more options is suppose to equal greater appeal and satisfaction. The dos and donts are completely in your own hands. That should equal a higher score on THAT front (don't want some people to misinterpret higher score to mean on all scoring perimeters).

Actually, 32 players in KZ2 actively made it a *worse* game. If the default had been 24 players (better yet, 16 or 20), it would have been a much better experience just based on that (since most game creators went with the defaults). All the maps except one were far, far too small for 32 players. Interestingly, KZ3 has knocked down the number of players.

A game's quality is definitely more than the bullet points that comprise it. Just having a feature isn't good enough; it also has to be a well implemented feature; and moreover it should fit into the grand scheme of things. Otherwise you get Battlecruiser A.D.

Sorry, but it's impossible for you guys to convince me that more options, in a shooter, makes the game WORSE. That doesn't make much sense.

[michealo]

Huh? That was Kaz's statement I was talking about, since he's Japanese you know.

apologies, i thought you were talking about WI's comments.
Kaz's statement regarding the apollo mission was tolerable as he related it to overcoming difficultly, however this very far from WI's intention.

[RedRedSuit]

32 players in KZ2 made the game worse. If it weren't default, it wouldn't. But since this option was turned on BY DEFAULT, it made the game experience worse. Anyone that's actually played the thing for a decent amount of time knows this. An excellent example of providing a bad option + human laziness/cluelessness = worse game. It certainly makes sense. The bottom line is if the option weren't there, KZ2 MP would've been better.