Forza vs GT

[cuco33]

so i didn't give GT a free pass by refusing to buy it?
i'd ask you to clarify, but that's not going to be productive.

I don't really care much about your stance on what you buy/rent/play. I've more than enough told you that GT, even with all it's faults is more than worth the purchase and play through if you've EVER been a GT fan in the past ESPECIALLY if you had a wheel. Same with FM. And you just played FM some few weeks/months ago which doesn't matter what your spin was... you still had well over 200+ posts in this thread without ever even trying either game which was my point from the get go.

In other words, I really don't care brah! nothin's changed with you. You STILL aren't discussing the games but rather are resorting to the same ol' spiteful attacks and massive spinning defenses as usual but like I said, don't care!

[Badger3920]

I've actually proven that folks like you have in fact made numerous assumptions and when I posted even quoted it was neglected, selectively read and brushed under the carpet.

You only proved that you dont really understand the concept of assumptions. When you used that term, most often someone was making a direct statement of fact, or a direct question, going to a statement made directly about you. They were not presuming facts not stated or expressly made.

Michaelo is making direct assertions about your conduct or the standard you hold. He's not 'making assumptions,' he's making assertions. Responding with "there you go assuming again" was always incorrect on those bases. "Assumptions" is not an insult or counterattack, they're simply the product of making inferences - none of which needed to be made in the majority of instances when you countered simply with "assumptions."

It's not coy, you just repeatedly used the word incorrectly day in and day out. We all remember, and I pointed such out on a daily basis. Responding to Michaelo's question of "am I now qualified because I've played FM4" CANNOT be the basis of you coming back and saying "assumptions." That makes just as much sense as saying that "One plus one equals corvette."

[michealo]

I don't really care much about your stance on what you buy/rent/play. I've more than enough told you that GT, even with all it's faults is more than worth the purchase and play through if you've EVER been a GT fan in the past ESPECIALLY if you had a wheel. Same with FM. And you just played FM some few weeks/months ago which doesn't matter what your spin was... you still had well over 200+ posts in this thread without ever even trying either game which was my point from the get go.

In other words, I really don't care brah! nothin's changed with you. You STILL aren't discussing the games but rather are resorting to the same ol' spiteful attacks and massive spinning defenses as usual but like I said, don't care!

Thats an extremely wordy back peddle.
Glad that I'm credible now by playing forza.
Perhaps we can work together and prevent meltdown #3.

[DaveS1138]

Do you consider this:


and this:

and this:

and this:


as being FM4 having offroad?

I don't. But this is perfectly possible in the game. There aren't modes for this. It's not coded for it either. To me it doesn't exist and is not a feature of the game but you can, if you choose, take a whole course on the offroad part of a track and call it 'off road mode' in lines with what you're getting at.

No I wouldn't. The best you could hope to do is go off track for a tiny section of a track at a time. You wouldn't be able to build an offroad circuit, the game physics would not be built for the offroad surfaces you are on. It just wouldn't be an offroad race.

It would be the equivalent of Vettel making a big mistake and going off track cutting the grass for a corner before getting back to track......would we have just created the worlds first offroad F1 race.....No.

By contrast when you set up a multi class race in GT5 it really is a multi class race. Go online with a bunch of friends and have 4 each in 4 different classes.....bingo an actual multi class race with nothing missing. The only difference is that at the end of the race you have to look at the leaderboard to see how to order each class instead of having the game do it for you.

In FM4 if you are in the slower class you do get credits and XP. You finish 1st in class and you 'win', not overall but you win the class and get max credits and XP. Actually in FM4 the better you drive, cleaner you drive, more sim approach you take to racing gives you more cr and XP.

As I said having a criteria that if you dont get XP or Credits then it's not a real race makes no sense since if you have maxed out your level cap or bank then you dont get credits or XP anyway.

In effect you would be saying that I havent taken part in a single real race in GT5 for 7 months now since I have been level maxed since then and cant get anymore. Nothing that I do in GT5 earns me credits or XP at all.

[DaveS1138]

Not Gran Turismo unfortunately but we're finally getting a racing game on the Vita

[DaveS1138]

Off road racing



NOT off road racing



Off road racing



NOT off road racing

[evolone]

So you can pretend to have multi-class racing in gt5, but not nascar racing in F4 eventhough neither gt5 or forza4 have nascar racing? Yeah that makes sense.

[DaveS1138]

So you can pretend to have multi-class racing in gt5, but not nascar racing in F4 eventhough neither gt5 or forza4 have nascar racing? Yeah that makes sense.

You STILL don't understand that one huh?

Nobody has ever said you cant pretend to have nascar in Forza 4......infact the point I made when you first brought it up was that the only thing you can do in Forza 4 is pretend to race nascar whilst in GT5 you can race OFFICIALY licenced nascars.

If I ever claim that GT5 allows you to race in an officially licenced multi class race you'll have a point.....until then....not so much.

[Badger3920]

Can you guys just all agree that:

A game has a feature where it is possible to setup such a race (i.e. nascar, off road rally, multi-class racing)

-BUT-

Having an officially licensed or fully fledged, imbedded feature in the game for such a function is generally better?

You guys are having arguments about whether items exists, where they clearly do, but they may not have fully supported or full-fledged features for that set of elements in the game.

SO: to sum up: where it's possible to do something in a game, that's good and that thing 'exists in the game.' Where the game has an explicit arrangment or setup for using that feature (i.e. multiclass race setup beyond simply being able to just choose two different cars and race) then that's even better.

No need to get so hung up on definitional arguments.


Edit: I often end up mowing the lawn when I drive the Zonda

[Topps]

Can you guys just all agree that:

A game has a feature where it is possible to setup such a race (i.e. nascar, off road rally, multi-class racing)

-BUT-

Having an officially licensed or fully fledged, imbedded feature in the game for such a function is generally better?

You guys are having arguments about whether items exists, where they clearly do, but they may not have fully supported or full-fledged features for that set of elements in the game.

SO: to sum up: where it's possible to do something in a game, that's good and that thing 'exists in the game.' Where the game has an explicit arrangment or setup for using that feature (i.e. multiclass race setup beyond simply being able to just choose two different cars and race) then that's even better.

No need to get so hung up on definitional arguments.


Edit: I often end up mowing the lawn when I drive the Zonda

I heard that!

[DaveS1138]

Can you guys just all agree that:

A game has a feature where it is possible to setup such a race (i.e. nascar, off road rally, multi-class racing)

-BUT-

Having an officially licensed or fully fledged, imbedded feature in the game for such a function is generally better?

You guys are having arguments about whether items exists, where they clearly do, but they may not have fully supported or full-fledged features for that set of elements in the game.

SO: to sum up: where it's possible to do something in a game, that's good and that thing 'exists in the game.' Where the game has an explicit arrangment or setup for using that feature (i.e. multiclass race setup beyond simply being able to just choose two different cars and race) then that's even better.

No need to get so hung up on definitional arguments.


Edit: I often end up mowing the lawn when I drive the Zonda

In the case of nascar I never had an issue saying you can set up a "pretend" nascar race in Forza just as you can set up a Multi class race in GT but you dont receive credits or XP for it.

Off road I dont think you can do in Forza given any reasonable definition of an off road race. Hell, in two of the screenshots Cuco provided the cars just jumping on a tarmac track...if your going to use so broad a definition of off road you might as well claim that GT has a livery editor becuause I can paint a car a different colour.

I would like to see a track that Forza can use for off road racing in any meaningfull way.

[Badger3920]

In the case of nascar I never had an issue saying you can set up a "pretend" nascar race in Forza just as you can set up a Multi class race in GT but you dont receive credits or XP for it.

Sure, and for that purpose, either game has nascar or multi-class racing because it's possible. It simply exists, you can do the whole race that way, and that's not refutable. However, it's definitely not as good as having full-fledged setups in most cases where that's an actually intended part of the game, you can setup such races because it's a feature, and you get cash or xp or whatever.

Off road I dont think you can do in Forza given any reasonable definition of an off road race. Hell, in two of the screenshots Cuco provided the cars just jumping on a tarmac track...if your going to use so broad a definition of off road you might as well claim that GT has a livery editor becuause I can paint a car a different colour.

Im not following too closely these days, but if you dont have a dirt/snow/generally offroad track, then that's not offroad racing. Tarmac is asphalt so I personally wouldn't call it offroading and I dont know too many people that would in all likelihood.

[cuco33]

You only proved that you dont really understand the concept of assumptions. When you used that term, most often someone was making a direct statement of fact, or a direct question, going to a statement made directly about you. They were not presuming facts not stated or expressly made.

Michaelo is making direct assertions about your conduct or the standard you hold. He's not 'making assumptions,' he's making assertions. Responding with "there you go assuming again" was always incorrect on those bases. "Assumptions" is not an insult or counterattack, they're simply the product of making inferences - none of which needed to be made in the majority of instances when you countered simply with "assumptions."

It's not coy, you just repeatedly used the word incorrectly day in and day out. We all remember, and I pointed such out on a daily basis. Responding to Michaelo's question of "am I now qualified because I've played FM4" CANNOT be the basis of you coming back and saying "assumptions." That makes just as much sense as saying that "One plus one equals corvette."

I fully understand what an assumption is and when I mention them it's true. All I get in response is backpedaling, spin and deflection, as usual. No need to go down this route of acting like an elitist and I'm pretty sure Mich doesn't need cheerleaders to back him up either. But since you always have something to say.. it's one of those

I'm glad you can use google to look up words and then make long strung out posts summarizing these definitions rather than actually discussing the topic at had, but this isn't the 1st time nor will it be the last.

You don't see the wrong of folks having well over 200+ posts in a thread and never have played either game? Up until recently of course...
I'd think someone who had so much to say before even playing a game would have even more to say about it after actually playing it, but I guess in the land of HDD smackdown where 1 guilty member of this is a supermod, that isn't really a problem lol. same ol' same ol'... Guess we're just spiraling again to push people's buttons and not discuss the topic at hand as usual, instead make blanket snide remarks. It's ok though, I don't have a mod going back to edit and change people's posts and if you guys want to keep bastardizing this board, by all means I'll be hear joining that cause


Smackdown is dead baby...

[cuco33]

Thats an extremely wordy back peddle.
Glad that I'm credible now by playing forza.
Perhaps we can work together and prevent meltdown #3.

Same ol' mich... I'm somewhat glad you haven't changed.. I mean when I didn't post for 3-4 months it seemed you missed me so much by bringing me up every now and again, just as you still do over mid, gnome, WI, cf, and all others who you probably had a hand in getting infractions and bans. But whatever floats your boat homey for being an excellent mod and still making spiteful comments. Don't worry, I'm not a lil bitch to go on taking it up to other mods.

You must really have gotten your panties in a bunch when I put you in the spotlight for commenting so much in a thread of 2 major games to which you never played, and now are resorting to spinning it asking me if you are now credible. lol
I guess your homeboys who are just as guilty are in the same boat. At least some folks actually played 1 of the games, even though they tend to stick to only the positives of the preferred game and platform for their own biased reasons, even if wrong. But hey, whatever floats your boat chief. I just figured someone who's actually played 1 of the titles now would at least say more than a single quick post about it. Afterall you're one of the many guilty parties with 200+ posts in this thread alone and up until recently haven't played it at all

Just calling a spade a spade.. Perhaps we can forget the past and move on to actually discuss the topic at hand but if you want to keep bringing up my actions over a desperate stalking troll you love so much then I'll keep bringing up your bullshit time and time again. Just sayin, brah..

[DaveS1138]

I mean when I didn't post for 3-4 months.........

I was starting to wonder what bet you had lost