Forza vs GT

[michealo]

To be honest, I don't recall you challenging both. I do recall you stating some things I believe against cf once but the general norm from you is cries of extreme bias and double standard over me, sometimes resorting to snide comments that you don't like when I make them. I even pointed out recently some dozen or so of your last posts being not on topic but nothing more than directing this crying foul against me, but ironically you don't go, on the norm, stating the very same accusations against folks who have it and who have never played the other title, i.e. Dave
Your claims of double standard couldn't be any more wrong. I've already admitted to liking both franchises (my 2 favorite racing franchises of all time) but I still having bias for which game is better and more fun to play. Sorry, I forgot that pointing out FACTS, not opinions like you want to spin towards, in a smackdown section of a public forum, in a VS thread about both games nonetheless, wasn't allowed... It seems that I didn't get the memo.

What I'm laughing at hysterically is how you're making a bold (and massively false) assumption over me having my panties in a bunch over sales figures, something I've said way too often that I don't care about. I've more than admitted on numerous occasions that GT sells like hotcakes due to popularity and brand strength. I've even admitted before GT5 and FM4 were out that GT5 would trump FM4 (and FM3) in sales by leaps and bounds. I don't work for MS/T10 and I don't have stock in these games so sales don't mean shit to me. These assumptions though, I'm lovin em..
LMAO!!


I'll say it AGAIN, GT5 might have it's faults, many as I pointed out but today with all those patches it's a much better game and someone who has a nice G series wheel should at least pick it up used for like $20 and enjoy it. Is $20 going to break the bank? But it's your money.. I personally don't get why someone who's an obvious Sony fan, with a nice G25 wheel, won't even pick it up on the cheapy cheap and enjoy the parts of the game that you just might enjoy. To me, it doesn't make sense, but it's your money chief.

If you don't like 'smackdown jollies' then why bother posting here? Or better yet, why bother continuing being a moderator on here?

Ah, now this a vey milder approach instead of the lulz and random silliness.
Why the sudden change of attitude? Something I said?
not sure you get to judge what i'm a fan of, especially with 200+ combined hours on my 360 with skyrim and ME3 lately

Still not all FACTS, but you knew that.
How else could you get a rise out of Dave and others on purpose since you grew tired of it before. you know, the agenda....

[DaveS1138]

There was a couple of cars that had the same issue on the same turn, I believe turn 6. What's funny is that this is a 12 hour endurance race and an accident causing damage caused the team to not finish the race. Imagine that... an enduro with damage

Shame though cuz I was pulling for them to finish in top contention in their class

However the issue was caused by them hitting a fresh oil spill on the track.......does Forza 4 model oil spills on the track?

and to continue the smackdown jollies.......the crash happened after 3 hours of racing......Imagine that... They crashed and still expereinced an enduro that lasts longer than my morning commute

[DaveS1138]

Here we go with them assumptions again.

Here mich, here's facts, in case you missed it the last few times I posted it:

And in GT5's example, the premium car will have a full interior view, working wipers, splash effects, access to photo travel (as this shot was taken) where as the standard car (which makes up 80% of) does not.


And if we want to bring up Autovista again:1 is AV which only few cars have access to and 1 is homespace and race reply which ALL cars have access to. All cars also have access to every race mode, has fully modeled interior view, etc.

I'm confused........who and what point are you arguing with here? Has anybody ever claimed that the cars in Forza 4 have a split in quality? a split in features other than Autovista?

You still seem to be arguing a point that nobody is making.

[DaveS1138]

Proof Indy, as in way back when damage was the hot topic in this thread I posted to proof via real videos where accidents and crashes causing damage does happen, rollovers do happen

Dude........when you have to go back more than 2 years to give an example of you posting proof I think your making Indy's point for him

and just as a reminder the only thing your videos showed were how unlike the real world examples crashes in racing sims are

[DaveS1138]

Go and race the Lupo cup race again and tell me that this:

is something 'you have to look for'. It's as glaringly obvious as can be, and what's a shame is that PD has an A and B spec race specific with Lupos only where you see the jaggy hatch pillar stand out like a soar thumb

Not all standard cars are this bad but many are poorly modeled with issues like these jaggies or textures or whatnot. It's not just the Lupo like I pointed out. And when you go into photos to snap away, the standard issues do stand out even more. Some standards look better than others, some angles look better than others, but it's sad that when you see the dead sexy premiums and their quality it makes the standards become THE black eye of GT5.

I also disagree. When racing, driving by a premium it looks great (shadows, although improved still look bad and do still flicker) but when driving by a standard you can tell what's a standard 9times out of 10.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm done for the night. Training in Pitt and I should be in bed right now since I have to be up in a few hours

Nice that you have to go back to the worst example in the game to try to make your point that all standards look bad........you know one of the miata's is pretty bad too if you ever want to mix it up a little

but again that is nothing to do with the point being made........if you look for the bridges to nowhere on the Nurburgring they are just as easy to spot and just as big of an eyesore as that Lupo cup car......if GT is a black eye for that Lupo then why do you not also think that the bridges to nowhere are a black eye for Forza.........one rule for one game and another rule for the other huh?

Don't the bridges to nowhere and the track being 2 1/2 miles longer than the real world equavalent show perfectly that Turn 10 have taken assets from a last gen game and just prettied them up for Forza........something you still bizzarly claim nobody else has ever done.

[evolone]

The bridge to nowhere is impossible to spot unless you stop racing and turn around once you pass it and then hit the right angles to view it. But, you would know that if you played the game.

[DaveS1138]

The bridge to nowhere is impossible to spot unless you stop racing and turn around once you pass it and then hit the right angles to view it. But, you would know that if you played the game.

Do you have to drive 2 1/2 miles past it before you turn around and come back

[evolone]

Why dont you play the game and find out for us?

[Badger3920]

You're killing yourself, but at least it's funny:
You @michaelo - whining about snide comments and more-

but the general norm from you is cries of extreme bias and double standard over me, sometimes resorting to snide comments

Almost very next post - /!\snide comment alert/!\

You can continue being the cheerleader that you are

You obviously know that you don't get to complain about this - but there's a refresher just in case.

but the fact of the matter is

We've learned to think 'opinion' whenever you say fact, so with that in mind -

that no game in the history of gaming has ever had content split up the way PD did with GT5, as well as had disparity of quality and features with this content, ever, on any platform, of any generation, of any gaming genre, ever. And that's the thing... it's a black eye but it's PD/GT/Sony's biggest franchise so it gets a pass

First of all, this is a retreat from your previous argument which was obviously outright wrong (and Dave pointed it out, so I don't know why you don't just own up to it and move on):

And again, no game, in any genre, on any platform, in any generation has ever had disparity of quality and features in game content. But this is PD, so they get a pass from the fans

This is obviously, flat-out wrong.

Next, no it doesn't get a pass. People on this forum have panned the shit out of the game for the idea of standards vs premium. You don't get to cry all day about this and pretend you're persecuted with there are droves and droves of negative comments about it in this thread. The hilarious irony about it is you constantly assert this against michaelo when you're whining about the way he treats you, and he's a guy that refused to purchase the game precisely because of this.

It didn't and doesn't get a pass, you just cry about it because it's convenient to make it look like some huge point of unequal treatment. And it's old, as is most of your schtick of constantly attacking, calling people name, and then calling it some double standard when anyone responds with any idea contrary to your own.

Lastly, and the most massive failure of your argument, is that you claim 80% of the game is recycled content - you show one unflattering picture or two, and then the assertion becomes (implicit or not) that all 80% of the game's 'recycled material' is some kind of shitty sore thumb. It is not. Much of the standard content blends in just fine.

[DaveS1138]

Why dont you play the game and find out for us?

Because I don't own a 360, copy of Forza 4 or a wheel compatible with the game.

Since you do own a copy why dont you take a video of yourself driving past it at 40 looking left and see if it's really impossible to see. None of which would change the fact that it's still analogous to Cuco's claims that some standards look bad from some angles in GT5........but apparently PD are the only people that have ever done this......

[evolone]

If there are 1000 cars upon release and 800 of them are upgraded ps2 cars, what percentage is that?

Now do the same thing for standard and premium tracks, tell me what percentage you are at. Wait, do you even play either game?

[evolone]

Because I don't own a 360, copy of Forza 4 or a wheel compatible with the game.

Since you do own a copy why dont you take a video of yourself driving past it at 40 looking left and see if it's really impossible to see. None of which would change the fact that it's still analogous to Cuco's claims that some standards look bad from some angles in GT5........but apparently PD are the only people that have ever done this......

So you want me to prove your argument? I already proved the track is too long, plus I left my xbox at home for the week since I took my bike this time. It sucks riding with a backpack with an xbox in it.

[DaveS1138]

So you want me to prove your argument? I already proved the track is too long, plus I left my xbox at home for the week since I took my bike this time. It sucks riding with a backpack with an xbox in it.

No I want you to back up your claim that it's impossible to see unless you turn around and go back to look at it.

Although honestly I wouldn't bother since it's irrelevant to the argument since it's just the same as some standards looking good from some angles but not from others.

and as we both agree the biggest problem with the Nurburgring in Forza isn't the poorly modelled bridge but rather the fact that the track contains such a massive error carried over from it's original modelling in a last generation game.

[DaveS1138]

If there are 1000 cars upon release and 800 of them are upgraded ps2 cars, what percentage is that?

Now do the same thing for standard and premium tracks, tell me what percentage you are at. Wait, do you even play either game?

Are you saying that the cars and tracks are the only content in the game?

If there are 500 cars in Forza 4 and 410 of them came from Forza 3 what percentage is that?

Is there any point getting into a silly numbers game?

[evolone]

Are you saying that the cars and tracks are the only content in the game?

If there are 500 cars in Forza 4 and 410 of them came from Forza 3 what percentage is that?

Is there any point getting into a silly numbers game?

I would say that cars and tracks are 99% percent of a RACING GAME yes. The cars from forza 3 look just as good as the new cars in forza 4 so you can play that game if you choose. Its not recycling them thats the big deal, its recylcing them from a last gen game and it being obvious to spot, plus the missing features of the recycled content from gt4 cars.