Forza vs GT

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Said it before, I'll show it again:

GT5 =


FM4 =



With NASCAR in GT5, it's officially licensed for GT5. There's more officially licensed NASCAR events to do in the game, albeit on 2 official tracks.
There's more stock car racing to do in Forza 4. More real world tracks NASCAR participates in and if you toss in the fantasy tracks, even more stock car style ovalish racing goin on..

Just sayin...

I agree on the visual comparison but your earlier reasoning just sounded absurd to me. But, yeah, sure, why not? I can agree with this.

[DaveS1138]

Likewise... how do you have endurance racing events without damage?
That's not even discussing multiclass racing or multiple drivers, amongst few other tid bits


Both do it right and wrong.
Just sayin!

Why do you need damage for it to be an endurance? Cant it be an endurance of the driver instead of the car.......and no both don't do it right and wrong.....one doesn't do it at all.

I'm about to drive home.......if I started the longest race Forza 4 offers in it's "career" I would finish the race in Forza 4 BEFORE I get home in my typical commute.

Forza 4 does not have endurance racing at all dude....

[evolone]

Okay, again, what NASCAR event does Foorza 4 have? GT5 has several, where are Forza's?

Again what NASCAR race does gt5 have, not made up even by PD.

Wow, am I going in circles? No, they're not "NASCAR 2006 MODELS" They are STOCK CARS modeled using bodies that NASCAR used in 2006. They are NOT NASCAR CARS. They are not officially licensed, they are not officially sanctioned, they are not ANYTHING NASCAR.

NASCAR DOESNT BUILD THE CARS. The manufaturers build them to NASCAR spec.

Hey guys, I'm going to buy a GWM 'Coolbear' and call it a Scion Xb.

Looks to me like ( dont know what a gwm coolbear is thankfully) like the gwm is just a modified scion. Unlike the comparison you are trying to make, the manufacturers build the cars to be used in the NASCAR series. NASCAR doesnt produce a car.

Hey it looks EXACTLY like a Scion Xb, minus the Toyota/Scion branding or the license, or... well, anything that remotely makes it a Scion Xb. But that doesn't matter, because even though it isn't a Scion, I can still call it that because it looks like one. Just like how stock cars in F4 look like NASCAR cars... wait, no, actually they don't look anything like any NASCAR car that's been used in races. But they're still NASCAR! right?

Im pretty sure the car would be titled as a scion as it looks like its built by toyota and modified unlike a stockcar which is a purpose built tube chassis car made specifically for nascar. NASCAR doesnt own the bodies or the cars. They own the name rights and probably the liveries of the cars. The teams own the cars.

Like I just pointed out: It's the same car NOBODY used in a NASCAR race, therefore it's not a NASCAR car. It isn't licensed by NASCAR, it doesn't carry NASCAR branding, it isn't officially acknowledged as being a NASCAR car, it's simply the body NASCAR used as a basis for the cars it uses, a blank body that still isn't a NASCAR car.

Do you know what a 2006 nascar stock car looked like before it was painted? lmao

No, you're right. It's just some podunk, half-assed stock car for Forza races.

The same ones featured in NASCAR in 2006

How does it have the 24 hours of Le mans when it doesn't have any races lasting longer than about an hour and the longest race you can set up online is only a little over 2 hours?

How does gt5 have nascar if you dont race any nascar races or use ANY of the rules or points? If gt5 has nascar, then f4 has 24hours of lemans, as it has cars that appear in it.

Deflect much? Does F4 have those events, those licenses, those tracks and those cars?

GT5 doesnt have a NASCAR race. F4 does have the licenses and tracks and cars the same way gt5 has nascar licenses. LMAO.

You honestly dont see the double standard?

[evolone]

Why do you need damage for it to be an endurance? Cant it be an endurance of the driver instead of the car.......and no both don't do it right and wrong.....one doesn't do it at all.

I'm about to drive home.......if I started the longest race Forza 4 offers in it's "career" I would finish the race in Forza 4 BEFORE I get home in my typical commute.

Forza 4 does not have endurance racing at all dude....

Um the car surviving is probably 75% of the race. lol

[cuco33]

Why do you need damage for it to be an endurance? Cant it be an endurance of the driver instead of the car.......and no both don't do it right and wrong.....one doesn't do it at all.

I'm about to drive home.......if I started the longest race Forza 4 offers in it's "career" I would finish the race in Forza 4 BEFORE I get home in my typical commute.

Forza 4 does not have endurance racing at all dude....

Cuz it's an endurance race dude... We've been down this path before way too many times. It's not just an endurance of the drivers and race teams but of the actual car itself! If the car doesn't finish, the team and drivers are out of the competition. Every year the biggest enduro in the world, 24LeMans, sees on average HALF of the starting grid not finishing due to damage caused by driver error, crash, or system failure. You might want to ask the Peugeot teams why they only won 1 24LeMans and very few other events...
hint: it has something to do with electrical problems, system failures, and driver error causing damage to the vehicles

You might also want to ask why the Lambo Murcielago R-GT couldn't finish a single 24LeMans race (but was capable of winning a 2hr enduro )

[cuco33]

Um the car surviving is probably 75% of the race. lol

Probably? More like 100%. If the car doesn't finish, the team gets a DNF. Know how cars don't finish? Things like crashes or damage and system failures putting the car out of the race. The only time you get a DNF type of classification is NC (not classified) when you are so damn slow and far behind you are something like 70% behind the overall 1st place leader (in other words, the only time you're that far back is because you battled with damage or system failures to be so far behind!!)

If one of the drivers gets into a crash but the car survives and the driver is hurt, he can swap out for an unhurt driver while the car gets repaired by the team. If the driver is OK to continue racing, the car needs to get repaired and it can be back in competition. The team in both cases are still in the race.

Check it, my personal photo (only one I have right now) of a Ford GT at Lime Rock in 2010 that got hit hard in the rear right from another car damaging the rear right suspension. Car pitted rubbing and smoking bad and the team went to town to try and get her out.

This car just managed to miss the finish in time and got an NC (not classified). Wasn't the only car that NC'ed btw, as one of the Lola-Judds in LMP also got an NC. 4 cars got the DNF due to crashing out or system failure. 1 got a DNS (did not start). This was out of 30 cars that qualified for the event btw, and many of the faster cars ranked a lot slower due to crashing and damage and whatnot. Lime Rock is a fast and short track and accidents happen a shit ton. In the 22hrs I saw of the 2007 24LeMans I saw 1 accident that was basically the pit crew didn't tied down the rear wheel enough on a Ferrari, and wheel came off. In 2010, only other race I actually counted the crashes, I saw 7 accidents with a total of about 12-14 cars involved (1 really big wreck).

[Badger3920]

Right... defend defend defend.

Again, you're the guy frequently complaining about the conduct of others in this topic and wonder why we can't just have a nice clean, on-topic discussion. Yet, look here. One of your childish mantras that seems to make it into every single post of yours -- sometimes twice per post. That's unabashed hypocrisy.

That said:

I never minimized karts brah.

You do it all the time, you frequently lump it in with a slew of other GT5 features that Forza doesn't have, and then you slap your favorite labels on like "half-assed" and "tacked on." When someone challenges this, you usually retort with something ridiculous like you're just stating "facts" (when it's clearly just your opinion) and then conclude with something vapid like "defend defend defend."

Look, here's exact evidence of this in your very own post:

Karting still feels tacked on

That's minimizing or stating facts? I guess it depends who you ask, huh?

It certainly does. Everyone here is smart enough to know that your own feelings about the game are just opinions, even if you frequently label them as facts.

Thanks for tagging along with the making shit up, but it's expected.

That's nonsense. Pretty much every time I comment on your behavior or on one of your points, I provide evidence (usually quotes straight from your own mouth - just like I did here). Sorry if, in retrospect, your points come off terribly when a small amount of scrutiny is added.

It all makes sense now. If you mention something against GT5, regardless of what it is, regardless how great or how shitty the feature is, regardless if it impacts performance or feels tossed in, regardless if it works right or wrong, it's a Forza/MS fanboy stating it so solely due to Forza not having it.. lol

You're unsure of how to hold a discussion, and then you complain to others about it. Your self-awareness is scarce.


<waits for a childish response ignoring everything and whining about either hypocrisy or multiquoting>

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Again what NASCAR race does gt5 have, not made up even by PD.

What NASCAR race do you want it to have that suddenly makes GT5's NASCAR licensing, NASCAR cars, NASCAR approved events "valid"? It has NASCAR events, NNASCAR cars, NASCAR-used tracks and NASCAR licensing. Why does it suddenly need to have a race for all of that to be valid?

NASCAR DOESNT BUILD THE CARS. The manufaturers build them to NASCAR spec.

FORZA 4 IS A VIDEO GAME. There is no such thing as a "manufacturer" building cars n Forza 4.

Looks to me like ( dont know what a gwm coolbear is thankfully) like the gwm is just a modified scion.

Except that it isn't. It's a Chinese clone. It isn't a Scion at all. It's an unofficial, often considered illegal and Chinese-produced clone of a Toyota car. Is it a Scion? No. Does it look exactly like a Scion? Yes. But it's still not a Scion.

Unlike the comparison you are trying to make, the manufacturers build the cars to be used in the NASCAR series. NASCAR doesnt produce a car.

Except that, F4 is a game, not real life, so there is no such thing as a "manufacturer" and since NASCAR doesn't produce cars, and those cars are not actually NASCAR cars... You just blew your whole argument to pieces.

Im pretty sure the car would be titled as a scion as it looks like its built by toyota and modified unlike a stockcar which is a purpose built tube chassis car made specifically for nascar. NASCAR doesnt own the bodies or the cars. They own the name rights and probably the liveries of the cars. The teams own the cars.

I'm pretty sure it isn't, since it's not made by Toyota, it's not meant to be a Toyota, so it isn't. But you'd say it was if it were in F4. And again you shoot your whole argument to pieces. So since the teams own the cars, and NASCAR owns the name rights and liveries, and F4 does not have ANY of those, then they're not really NASCAR cars, are they?

Do you know what a 2006 nascar stock car looked like before it was painted? lmao

Do you know what a 2006 NASCAR car looks like? Because it doesn't look like the cars in F4.

The same ones featured in NASCAR in 2006

Show me pictures of these cars featured in NASCAR races in 2006, do they look anything like the cars in F4? Oh yeah, and without removing the licensing, the branding, the sponsors, the driver names, etc.

How does gt5 have nascar if you dont race any nascar races or use ANY of the rules or points? If gt5 has nascar, then f4 has 24hours of lemans, as it has cars that appear in it.

Last I checked, you didn't need a specific race for something to be NASCAR, you just needed the licensing and the rights to use NASCAR in order for something to have NASCAR. Couple that with the fact that there ARE NASCAR-used cars and race tracks in the game, and well.. Let's see, it does have NASCAR and it does have NASCAR events, therefore... It has NASCAR. Unfortunately, F4 doesn't have NASCAR licensing, NASCAR cars and NASCAR-used tracks, which means it DOESN'T HAVE NASCAR.

F4 has LeMans and it has LeMans used cars, who said it didn't. I asked you if it did, I didn't say that it didn't. While it doesn't let you drive for 24 hours, it still has the track and the cars.

GT5 doesnt have a NASCAR race. F4 does have the licenses and tracks and cars the same way gt5 has nascar licenses. LMAO.

GT5 has licensed cars, licensed tracks, approved events and NASCAR branding, not to mention the license to use it. So, yes, it does have NASCAR. F4 does not have licensed NASCAR cars, it doesn't have the NASCAR license and not a single event in F4 is approved by NASCAR. So, no, F4 does not have NASCAR. A billion times it's been said: F4 has stock car racing.

You honestly dont see the double standard?

The one you have set throughout this entire post? Yes, I do see it.

[Badger3920]

This thread =

[evolone]

Did you really dig up a bootlegged scion to build that argument. Did you miss the part where I said it "looks to be built by toyota". I figured you had some sort of retarded example up your sleeve. Sorry I dont keep up to date on the current knock off chinese cars that are never going to be sold in the U.S. LMAO.

Did you forget that NASCAR isnt the ones who builds the cars in nascar. They enforce regulations. The teams build the cars. It has zero to do with your cloned scion that would never be legally sold here. Do you see a NASCAR dealership in gt5 or do you buy the cars from the MANUFACTUERS?

Sorry but thats full of fail. Again if gt5 has nascar than surely f4 has lemans and every other sort of race to which there is a licensed livery for in f4. Thats all gt5 did for nascar. Well that and zombie jeff gordon.

[Indy_aka_Rex]

This thread =

It's funny how this has turned into the "Forza fanatics sabotage over sour apples" thread.

[evolone]

Its funny how you dont know anything about nascar or what looks to be racing in general but want to be an internet champion at cars.

[cuco33]

It's funny how this has continued to be the "GT/Sony fanatics crying foul at anyone who points out issues with their beloved" thread.

Fixed for truth

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Did you really dig up a bootlegged scion to build that argument. Did you miss the part where I said it "looks to be built by toyota". I figured you had some sort of retarded example up your sleeve. Sorry I dont keep up to date on the current knock off chinese cars that are never going to be sold in the U.S. LMAO.

LOL, loving that dismissal. "Did you really dig that up?! OH SORRY, I DON'T KEEP UP WITH THIS SHIT TO HAVE A VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST YOU."

Did you forget that NASCAR isnt the ones who builds the cars in nascar.

Did you forget that NASCAR is the one that owns the NASCAR license? And PD paid for that license, while T10 didn't? Oh yeah, funny how I forget things, but you? No sir... Not even the most blatantly obvious thing.

They enforce regulations. The teams build the cars. It has zero to do with your cloned scion that would never be legally sold here.

The regulations and the teams and the rights to which GT5 licensed to use in its game, but T10 didn't. But let's not acknowledge that whatsoever really.

Sorry but thats full of fail.

You trying to dismiss an argument with your own hypocrisy? Yes. Yes it is full of fail.

Again if gt5 has nascar than surely f4 has lemans and every other sort of race to which there is a licensed livery for in f4.

Because, it's not like I've said:

F4 has LeMans and it has LeMans used cars, who said it didn't. I asked you if it did, I didn't say that it didn't. While it doesn't let you drive for 24 hours, it still has the track and the cars.

or

Does it have the events, has T10 sought the licenses to the tracks or even the brand to have in their game? If they have, then yeah, it does.

Thats all gt5 did for nascar. Well that and zombie jeff gordon.

Gotta love all the dismissing going on. When you don't have an argument? DEFLECT AND DISMISS!

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Its funny how you dont know anything about nascar or what looks to be racing in general but want to be an internet champion at cars.

This coming from a guy that just tried to dismiss an argument because he was too close-minded to understand it.

I'm not a champion at cars, but at least there's sound logic in my argument. You're the one that keeps trying to argue a game has something when it factually does not.