Yet Another Reason Why XBLA > PSN

[grasp]

Murph - Nope, I'd think you were an idiot for having a new beetle!
(or maybe a total p.u.s.s.y, not an idiot!)
unless you had a magnum in the flower holder.. then I'd consider you may or may not be a p with an ussy on it.

[murphjp]

Murph - Nope, I'd think you were an idiot for having a new beetle!
(or maybe a total *****, not an idiot!)

I have a mazda 3, I wouldn't buy a beatle. I was just using that as an example :P

[itputdalotion0n]

GoW 3 is an original game. Its building up on games of the past but it has not been done before. Paperboy is not original since its a remake of an old game, unless your talking about the arcade game released back in 1984, and not the remake on the NES, Gameboy or XBLA.

Another example of somthing new but not original is MGS:Twin snakes, its not building somthign new is copying somthing almost to the tee, true there are variations, but its the same game, same with RE:Remake, there is an original area in this game I beleive but the game itself isn't original.

Or a non videogame related example. If I told you I had an original VW beatle, you would take it as the old classic model, but when I showed you my 2009 beatle you would think I was an idiot for calling it original.

actually no GOW3 is not an original game, the original work was GOW1 now its just modified and upgraded.

[BBM128]

Dude, screw off... Real men drive beetles.... That being said.. I drive an S10.

[murphjp]

actually no GOW3 is not an original game, the original work was GOW1 now its just modified and upgraded.

ok screw GoW3..

Your saying GoW2 is the same game as GoW1.... No its quite a bit different, it has extremly similar play mechanics, but its a totaly different experience. MAdden on the other hand every 2nd year isn't original .

[itputdalotion0n]

ok screw GoW3..

Your saying GoW2 is the same game as GoW1.... No its quite a bit different, it has extremly similar play mechanics, but its a totaly different experience. MAdden on the other hand every 2nd year isn't original .

yea, but tweaking already done gameplay wether very very minor as in madden or more like GOW to GOW2 doesnt make it original, there might be a part or two that are original but thats why they are called modifications or tweeks as i like to call them. Hell GEars1 the multiplayer pretty damn different from 2 but they are still just modifications on a preexisting experience.

[murphjp]

yea, but tweaking already done gameplay wether very very minor as in madden or more like GOW to GOW2 doesnt make it original, there might be a part or two that are original but thats why they are called modifications or tweeks as i like to call them. Hell GEars1 the multiplayer pretty damn different from 2 but they are still just modifications on a preexisting experience.

Madden you play on the same feild, and go for the same trophey, some years only the players teasm changes, and very slight upgrade in graphics.

GoW2 is a new story, new inviroments, and tweeks to the gameplay, and graphics. GOW3 seems to have alot more tweeks to whats going on. Its not 100% original but more of the game is then isn't. That woudl be like saying every FPS since Doom isn't original, Where there overall mechanics may not be the games are.

[Badger3920]

Let's ditch originality then if everyone is going to get hung up on it and just use something more ambiguous, like "fresh"

Although, that'd almost work. Obviously, tower defense games have been around for quite some time. However, picking up Pixeljunk Monsters for the first time feels entirely fresh - like a breath of new life into the genre, even though it's the same old concept.

Top down games where you run around through little alleys from monsters (The Last Guy) have been done all over the place -- pacman in its most rudimentary form. But, the Last Guy puts a "fresh" spin on everything. It's even more neat that the game uses google earth to accurately replicate cities.

Flower -- well, I've never seen something like that done anywhere, so that would qualify as fresh.

Braid is the same way - sure, platforming is an old art, but the atmosphere they created in that game, along with story, time control etc -- it's very very fresh and well done.


We don't need to beat around semantics, I think we're all clear on what we're talking about.

[itputdalotion0n]

Madden you play on the same feild, and go for the same trophey, some years only the players teasm changes, and very slight upgrade in graphics.

GoW2 is a new story, new inviroments, and tweeks to the gameplay, and graphics. GOW3 seems to have alot more tweeks to whats going on. Its not 100% original but more of the game is then isn't. That woudl be like saying every FPS since Doom isn't original, Where there overall mechanics may not be the games are.

Your missing the point i acknowledge Madden is ver very very tiny in fact i even said that its pretty much the same game since it came out. But thats not the point Rainbow and Halo have new stories and levels also but that doesnt make their sequels original. They are nothing more then modifications to the games before them. And naturally graphics should get better for each progression, it will be more noticable with the new GOw3 but that doesnt mean its original because its got better graphics. Its still all just modifications and upgrades. And alot of the time they are well appreciated and more advanced but this still doesnt change that the game is no longer original.

This is actually alot of what bugs me and is making me bored with gaming is finding something new and original anymore is really really hard let alone finding something that is original and good. Developers have realized that people are ignorant and its a risk making a new IP that everything just gets whored out anymore until it been sucked dry.

[murphjp]

Your missing the point i acknowledge Madden is ver very very tiny in fact i even said that its pretty much the same game since it came out. But thats not the point Rainbow and Halo have new stories and levels also but that doesnt make their sequels original. They are nothing more then modifications to the games before them. And naturally graphics should get better for each progression, it will be more noticable with the new GOw3 but that doesnt mean its original because its got better graphics. Its still all just modifications and upgrades. And alot of the time they are well appreciated and more advanced but this still doesnt change that the game is no longer original.

This is actually alot of what bugs me and is making me bored with gaming is finding something new and original anymore is really really hard let alone finding something that is original and good. Developers have realized that people are ignorant and its a risk making a new IP that everything just gets whored out anymore until it been sucked dry.

So dead space isn't original since its sory is Event Horizon, its conrols are gears(not realy but similar, with no cover), and you just on a space ship, system shock. I think its original, but hey were arguing over a definition, I think if somthing isn't the same as it was before its original, your saying everything about it has to be 100% different to be original.

[itputdalotion0n]

So dead space isn't original since its sory is Event Horizon, its conrols are gears(not realy but similar, with no cover), and you just on a space ship, system shock. I think its original, but hey were arguing over a definition, I think if somthing isn't the same as it was before its original, your saying everything about it has to be 100% different to be original.

Yes, dead space is an original work. Now sequals unless they are drastically different are just gonna be modified and tweeked versions of the same game.

Ok lets put it this way GOW3 is original in the fact if its remade or updated later it was the original work, of that specific game. But they started the concept and gameplay in the first run of the series which is GOW1 every new one from there on is just a sequal that is a modification or upgrade of the original. Does this make more sense or are you still lost.

Now if your asking is outer space games, horror or survival new and original no its not. As dead space is just a game made from ideas presented from games in the past, so as far as being inovatively original it is not, to my knowledge it brought nothing new to console gaming that wasnt already there.

[Godstar]

Badger I think this shows everyone has their own ideas of what original means in a game based on our collective experiences.

[Shadow1019]

Oh boy, this turned into a mess. Not that it matters at this point, but my definition of originality would never include:

• classic games essentially ported to XBLA/PSN (Frogger, Donkey Kong, etc.)
• Full previous generation games ported to XBLA/PSN (MGS1, FFVII, Perfect Dark, etc.)

I want to judge XBLA and PSN by what they're helping to create today. Games like Braid, Flower, Castle Crashers, Everyday Shooter, The Last Guy, etc. are the true products of XBLA and PSN. That's what I want to compare. Not what games they can just license from years ago, because XBLA is never going to get former Playstation titles, PSN is never going to get former Xbox titles, XBLA and PSN are never going to get former Nintendo titles. All of that is just licensing. There's no creativity going into that. I don't want to talk about who has the deepest gaming vault from past generations or who can buy the best games from past decades. I want to talk about who is supporting the development of new, fresh, original games. So, I am really only talking about new games produced for XBLA/PSN.

New takes on old themes/gameplay most definitely qualify. It's nearly impossible for anyone to claim that a new game doesn't adopt, share, or at the very least use as inspiration existing games. That's why games like Geometry Wars and Super Stardust HD should be included on these lists. They're fresh and unique takes on existing gameplay elements.

And, although nobody can (or will) agree on a perfect definition, "atmosphere" is extremely important to this definition. That's why Braid is so original. You can't just look at it as a time manipulation game like Prince of Persia, you have to look at it for the unique story and deep emotion the game delivered. If we only consider basic gameplay mechanics, then we're really ignoring the true creativeness/originality of a lot of these games. Because many of these games are so much more than their basic gameplay qualities.

[RedRedSuit]

^ Agreed with every word.

[Badger3920]

Yep, that post captures the essence of what I was driving at as well.