Forza vs GT

[miDnIghtEr]

Originally Posted by DaveS1138

How about this one then......

3:28 to 3:29

The shadow at the back of the lead car just vanishes as the camera rotates around.

Oh........I forgot.......you posted the video to wow us with how great Forza 3 was looking.......with how much better it was graphically than GT........we weren't supposed to start pointing out how glitchy the graphics engine is huh.

again.. where do you get all this, "we're not supposed to point out glitchy graphics."

WHO SAID THIS? is this just you making more shit up in your head? yep.. yep it is. because that's your posting style. you start coming up with all this shit in your own head, and start posting it like it's fact. like someone said it.

note to mods.. when can you start getting infractions for talking shit like that? you know.. the kind where you constantly start making stuff up, then posting it like it's fact without quotes or anything like that? can i start doing this too? ok.. let's give it a try.

so we have here for the sony fanboys...

1. sonyfanboys are rattled because they still don't have a finished full GT game in the year 2009 3 years after their console came out.

2. sony fanboys don't care about damage, and don't want damage. they don't hit walls, don't hit cars and drive perfect.

3. sony fanboys are saying that they love and rather have time taken off instead of damage, because like they said.. damage doesn't occur when they race...

4. sony fanboys are all about the grass graphics on racing games. nothing else matters.

5. ya.. well the ps2 outsells 360 in japan!!!!

hey.. xbots... what else can we just make up and post as a fact?

[Raceworx]

Originally Posted by miDnIghtEr

*hoping third time is the charm*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvymf...layer_embedded

Video was watched a long time ago! ithere was aidrect link to a full HD download from game trailers about a 1/4 of the way through the thread..

cars look good.. physics look alright but you carnt tell unless you play..

biggest thing that amde me laugh the "damage" full rear end in a carbon fibre LMP1 car and all it did was crease the "hood" also hitting a sand trap at close to 200 mph and it just slowing the car like it was driving into a vat of treacle.. also grass texture pop in..

we also had the excusses for all the above.. its only a limited demo there wasnt damage turned on.. even though it was.. not the full build the final game wont have textures like that blah blah blah..

the video i posted showed you just how damn close PD got with replicating an F1 car and the track..

[BBM128]

Originally Posted by Raceworx

Video was watched a long time ago! ithere was aidrect link to a full HD download from game trailers about a 1/4 of the way through the thread..

cars look good.. physics look alright but you carnt tell unless you play..

biggest thing that amde me laugh the "damage" full rear end in a carbon fibre LMP1 car and all it did was crease the "hood" also hitting a sand trap at close to 200 mph and it just slowing the car like it was driving into a vat of treacle.. also grass texture pop in..

we also had the excusses for all the above.. its only a limited demo there wasnt damage turned on.. even though it was.. not the full build the final game wont have textures like that blah blah blah..

the video i posted showed you just how damn close PD got with replicating an F1 car and the track..

Damage > Everything else in a racing sim... Hasn't this thread taught you anything?

[Onslaught X]

Originally Posted by miDnIghtEr

again.. where do you get all this, "we're not supposed to point out glitchy graphics."

WHO SAID THIS? is this just you making more shit up in your head? yep.. yep it is. because that's your posting style. you start coming up with all this shit in your own head, and start posting it like it's fact. like someone said it.

note to mods.. when can you start getting infractions for talking shit like that? you know.. the kind where you constantly start making stuff up, then posting it like it's fact without quotes or anything like that? can i start doing this too? ok.. let's give it a try.

so we have here for the sony fanboys...

1. sonyfanboys are rattled because they still don't have a finished full GT game in the year 2009 3 years after their console came out.

2. sony fanboys don't care about damage, and don't want damage. they don't hit walls, don't hit cars and drive perfect.

3. sony fanboys are saying that they love and rather have time taken off instead of damage, because like they said.. damage doesn't occur when they race...

4. sony fanboys are all about the grass graphics on racing games. nothing else matters.

5. ya.. well the ps2 outsells 360 in japan!!!!

hey.. xbots... what else can we just make up and post as a fact?

You may have just crossed the line already.

Should someone want to hit the easy button.

[BBM128]

Looks like Nightie is upset... over a video game forum... Irony defined...

[Onslaught X]

Originally Posted by BBM128

Looks like Nightie is upset... over a video game forum... Irony defined...

Even if he was, he wouldn't admit that. God damn it, it's the interwebs. We'll never admit a god damn thing. That's why the rattled accusations being thrown around are ridiculous. Unless you're spying through my computer and seeing my facial reactions to everything, you will never prove it!

Doesn't matter, I'm too awesome to be rattled.

[BBM128]

Originally Posted by Onslaught X

Even if he was, he wouldn't admit that. God damn it, it's the interwebs. We'll never admit a god damn thing. That's why the rattled accusations being thrown around are ridiculous. Unless you're spying through my computer and seeing my facial reactions to everything, you will never prove it!

Doesn't matter, I'm too awesome to be rattled.

And once again, my point about your self-esteem continues to be true... Check with the IRS, a donation may result in a tax deduction.

It is the intrawebzorz, it's kinda hard to be truly upset, for me... I mean yeah, I can be annoyed, but angry and upset?

[andy b]

Looks ok to average from those vidoes but like previous Forza games and past GT titles this is about how many months of greatness you get out of it.Anyway love forza and GT but so far Forza is'nt the the one which needs to prove itself after the very average GT5P.Apart from wow factor of the car models, GT5P became a nightmare over the next couple of weeks of playing.
Just hope both turn out great but i have my doubts about GT5 more than Forza 3.GT5P showed that it was counting onlooks alone to get through and i believe if it was'nt for Forza there would be no outcry for damage because GT5 had no plans to put damage in and thats one of the main reasons for its delays.Having 16 cars on the track could not cover up the worst AI i have seen in along time,average physics and don't get me started on the online side.
Hope the GT devs have seen their error and give us the best GT to date ,but do not doubt the forza team either because their first two efforts have been quality.Anyway here's to a top year of driving sims on our consoles.Forza does have probs which i hope they sort out but GT5 needs alot more to sort out.
People saying 16 cars 60fps and 1080 is what makes it great seriously need to look further into the game.I understand if your coming from GT4 and not played Forza then GT5 will be mint and any upgrade will do but Forza has raised the bar now matter how you look at and because of forza the problems in GT5P are more noticable under the surface.
Like i said hope GT5 turns out to be amazing but its not 1080p or the amount of cars which need to make this game great unlike others on here who are happy with the shine of the game without seeing the bigger picture.
Forza 3 needs to be something special to beat Forza 2 and so far i have not been impressed with what i have seen,but i was not impressed with Forza 2 until i played the final game because all the videos to the point of buying the game looked average.Knowing how that game turned out then i'm not to worried about the lackluster videos i've seen so far,but am sure both Forza3 and GT5 will get my full vote when they both arrive .

[Rodimus Prime]

the game is still 4 months away. Everyone needs to relax.

The game is only going to have 8 cars. Thats just how its going to be. Yes 16 cars is better. Yes 1080p is better than 720p however, it has no bearing on how a game plays, and when its upscaled most people wont be able to tell a difference.

I do like the ms wheel because of the paddle shifters....which most of the cars I like acutally have paddle shifters. Manual transmissions are so last century. So sticks are lame imo and they sit right next to the steering wheel which is plain dumb. I had to mod my pedals to get a better or more realistic feel and it works great. No need for a clutch pedal or stick with an Enzo/Zr1 corvette...best two cars in the game imo. If it has a zr1 or even a c6 z06 which owns pretty much every car on nurburgring.

What it comes down to is handling, and come lately Ive encounterd some shady or totally bs physics in FM2. With cars completely spinning on their own axis (like a pole stabbed through the roof and you spun the car around) at 5 mph under part throttle. That needs to be fixed...plus get rid of the sticky grass and sand...totally ruins the game if you go off course( which never happens apparently with the ps3 because everyone is a perfect driver, so in theroy it wouldnt impact them like lack of damage doesnt impact them because they never crash)

So fix sticky grass and sand
Fix shady low speed physics
Fix high speed handleing on stock cars (some are very very unstable at 100ish and feels totally unrealistic going in a straight line compared to the real life counterparts)
Fix aftermarket parts.

I.E....the need to upgrade to better tires on some cars like the enzo is stupid. Or weight reductions on super cars is stupid. IMO supercars shouldnt be modded in any way other than adding slicks or changing rims. THEY COME WITH THE BEST PARTS FROM PRODUCTION....HENCE $500,000 PRICES.

Also upgrading a fuel system on a stock car isnt going to give you HP. Upgrading igniton systems on a stock car isnt going to give you HP. Some cars come with racing suspension style parts yet you can upgrade them to what they should come with from the factory anyways? Stupid.

In GT changing your oil gives you back lost hp???WTF thats stupid too. If anything the oil gets thinner making oil pressure drop slightly reducing drag inside the motor making it run looser.

Neither of these games are anything close to sim when it comes to building cars in those aspects.

[gamma626]

Why can't Forza 3 be the definitive racing sim for a while? It'll be definitive till something better comes along.

[Todd Roberts]

Originally Posted by gamma626

Why can't Forza 3 be the definitive racing sim for a while? It'll be definitive till something better comes along.

Stop making so much sense. This thread doesn't deserve it.

[coN]

Originally Posted by Rodimus Prime

ZR1

The ZR1 uses a gear box.

Or to quote Clarkson...

"It has a proper gear box as opposed to those stupid flappy paddles. Are you listening Ferrari?"

EDIT - Oh haha you were referring to the wheels built for the games. My bad. You should scope the G25. Hope MS supports it with FM3. If not, ill have to score the Porsche wheel and hope FM3 fully supports it.

And thank god someone else sees the wonky physics in FM2. Ive stated them time and time again (along with GTs faults) and some people here clamor "FM2 physics are superior" when they dont even know WHY they are, let alone whats wrong with them. Why say something when you have no idea how it works?

BUT IM NOT RATTLED. YOU ARE.

[Rodimus Prime]

Originally Posted by coN

The ZR1 uses a gear box.

Or to quote Clarkson...

"It has a proper gear box as opposed to those stupid flappy paddles. Are you listening Ferrari?"

EDIT - Oh haha you were referring to the wheels built for the games. My bad. You should scope the G25. Hope MS supports it with FM3. If not, ill have to score the Porsche wheel and hope FM3 fully supports it.

And thank god someone else sees the wonky physics in FM2. Ive stated them time and time again (along with GTs faults) and some people here clamor "FM2 physics are superior" when they dont even know WHY they are, let alone whats wrong with them. Why say something when you have no idea how it works?

I was all about manual transmissions until I started driving paddle shifted cars. It was such a blast to drive them. It felt like I was playing a video game.

I thought the zr1 was paddle shifted...Gues its just the Z06 then. I cant wait till I pick up a used one for $30gs.

Ill check out the g25 too.

[coN]

Originally Posted by Rodimus Prime

I was all about manual transmissions until I started driving paddle shifted cars. It was such a blast to drive them. It felt like I was playing a video game.

I thought the zr1 was paddle shifted...Gues its just the Z06 then. I cant wait till I pick up a used one for $30gs.

Ill check out the g25 too.

So it was a combination of both then. But yes, the ZR1 uses a MT.

Now that i think about it, the Z06 had a true SMG for paddles? If it did, thats crazy. Im suprised i didnt know. The wonders it would do for downshifting.

I do understand why people who race and car enthusiasts despise the paddles.

EDIT - To be clear, im using the term SMG loosely here. Im sure you know i meant semi-auto but im lazy lol. I wasnt talking about the specific BMW SAT system.

[michealo]

Originally Posted by miDnIghtEr

again.. where do you get all this, "we're not supposed to point out glitchy graphics."

WHO SAID THIS? is this just you making more shit up in your head? yep.. yep it is. because that's your posting style. you start coming up with all this shit in your own head, and start posting it like it's fact. like someone said it.

note to mods.. when can you start getting infractions for talking shit like that? you know.. the kind where you constantly start making stuff up, then posting it like it's fact without quotes or anything like that? can i start doing this too? ok.. let's give it a try.

so we have here for the sony fanboys...

1. sonyfanboys are rattled because they still don't have a finished full GT game in the year 2009 3 years after their console came out.

2. sony fanboys don't care about damage, and don't want damage. they don't hit walls, don't hit cars and drive perfect.

3. sony fanboys are saying that they love and rather have time taken off instead of damage, because like they said.. damage doesn't occur when they race...

4. sony fanboys are all about the grass graphics on racing games. nothing else matters.

5. ya.. well the ps2 outsells 360 in japan!!!!

hey.. xbots... what else can we just make up and post as a fact?

ranting and raving aside, you posted the images and should ebe prepared to accept criticism when others offer their opinion on them.

post some gt5 images if you seek my opinion on them also.
unless it's just easier to assume i'll think they look awesome.

dont expect logitech wheel support with the 360.
they make too money selling their own "good enough" wheel.