Xbox 360 price drop info, with pics

[jpimgt]

Originally Posted by SAxd40

thats a crock of shit..its just doesnt work sometime, it works all the time. I have never been booted out of anything going through my laptop. You think PS3 online will always be free? give it time. You have to pay for Qar now and thats just the beginning. At the rate ps3 is losing money it will come next.

That's my experience with it. If your hooked to two different networks (say, work and home) and when you move it from one to another, I've seen it not work many times. Even assuming it always works, that method still doesn't bypass the fundamental problem of the inconvenience of moving your laptop, plugging it into power, plugging the network connection, and assuming that your laptop is unavailable to use in the mean time, no one else would want to surf the net. Way too much hassle, many people will go buy the wireless adapter or some other solution like an AP.

Sony charging for playing online on PSN is just pure bullshit from you. It has been free for almost 2 years and there is no indication that it won't be any more. Sony knows they will lose many customers if they switch it later to make it pay to play. XBL started off buttraping everyone, so the MS consumer is used to it.

About your other point, Sony gaming division has been profitable for a few quarters now, unless you know how much exactly the PS3 costs to make and is making/losing, STFU.

[Sarang]

I frankly think it's bullshit to charge someone for P2P past the initial cost of development. I'd pay a one time fee of $100 if MS would just give me the mp free forever past that. I can deal with locked demos and new content even if that's stupid because it's their bread and butter.
Frankly I should already get multiplayer free as I've paid that $50 a couple of times already I think or more. Don't even give me that crap about matchmaking either. I'll deal with the direct connecting shit that Netplay does and a TERRIBLE connection bit if it was free.

[WellInformed]

Originally Posted by miDnIghtEr

we learn from the best.

Each other?

Originally Posted by Slayer

I bought the arcade because I can get a 20 gig drive for $30. Plus I hook the system up to my wireless laptop for online. $230 total seems like a pretty good deal for a high def system with a 3 year warranty to cover its shortcomings.

Seems to me you would have to be an idiot to disagree with that.

Is that deal available to everyone that buys an arcade/core SKU? If not, the testimonial doesn't mean much.

It's a shame you have to tie up your laptop just to have wireless for the X360. When I had my X360, I had to built a PC (out of spare parts) to have wireless. That's time out of your day...everyday to make that work. But I guess if you time isn't worth anything to you, you would happy.

The 3 year warranty doesn't mean a thing, if your time and mental anguish means anything to you. It's just not logical to walk into a situation where a system that is basically guaranteed to fail just because there is a warranty. It's like saying it's ok to torcher me as long as you fix me up after you're done. Plus, you should make absolutely sure the warranty starts from purchase and not from 2005/2006 (when the problem was discovered).

[Citizen G'kar]

It's pretty clear that Microsoft does not belong in the hardware business. Come on, if there was really an RROD problem, any company other than Microsoft would've either fixed it already or gone out of business.

Only Microsoft's bottomless bank account keeps it in this race and a shareholder revolt once bill leaves will likely change that.

[kickingtotalass]

Originally Posted by Citizen G'kar

It's pretty clear that Microsoft does not belong in the hardware business. Come on, if there was really an RROD problem, any company other than Microsoft would've either fixed it already or gone out of business.

Only Microsoft's bottomless bank account keeps it in this race and a shareholder revolt once bill leaves will likely change that.

And your thoughts on DRE? Turning your PS1 on it's side?

[BrendonL]

Originally Posted by kickingtotalass

And your thoughts on DRE? Turning your PS1 on it's side?

LOL, ummm, no. DRE did not affect upwards of 1/3rd of PS2's.

[kickingtotalass]

Originally Posted by BrendonL

LOL, ummm, no. DRE did not affect upwards of 1/3rd of PS2's.

Sure got me and all my friends. Where is your "proof" RRoD of 1/3?

I'd say Sony was lucky the internet gaming glorifications like n4g & kotaku weren't really around when DRE happened for ppl to realize how bad it likely was.

Also likely offset by the fact a new ps2 was 150 and slim.... i just went and bought another without thinking twice about it.

Come to find all my friends go hit. Anecdotal yes but technically so is RRoD.

[BrendonL]

Originally Posted by kickingtotalass

Sure got me and all my friends. Where is your "proof" RRoD of 1/3?

I'd say Sony was lucky the internet gaming glorifications like n4g & kotaku weren't really around when DRE happened for ppl to realize how bad it likely was.

Also likely offset by the fact a new ps2 was 150 and slim.... i just went and bought another without thinking twice about it.

Come to find all my friends go hit. Anecdotal yes but technically so is RRoD.

We actually have statistics regarding RROD, at least in Europe among repair centers. It's been posted ad nauseum and I know you are aware of them (but "don't believe them" apparently). It is upwards of 33% among first year units, and that was as of last year. Who knows what it is now. Sony also wasn't forced to extend their console warranty to an unheard of 3 years for fear of getting sued. The Xbox 360 has great games but as a piece of hardware there is little debate, even among Xbots, that it is one of if not the biggest POS consoles ever made, come on now.

[XodusTrance]

Originally Posted by kickingtotalass

Come to find all my friends go hit. Anecdotal yes but technically so is RRoD.

Anecdotal? Since when did rrod become anecdotal?

MS admits the DEFECT affects 100% of all 360's.

No, that defect is far from anecdotal.

[kickingtotalass]

Originally Posted by XodusTrance

Anecdotal? Since when did rrod become anecdotal?

MS admits the DEFECT affects 100% of all 360's.

No, that defect is far from anecdotal.

No they didn't.

Please provide some proof.

[kickingtotalass]

Originally Posted by BrendonL

The Xbox 360 has great games but as a piece of hardware there is little debate, even among Xbots, that it is one of if not the biggest POS consoles ever made, come on now.

I'm not saying the hardware doesn't have issues. Clearly it does, but to say we have hard proof of %'s is BS.

We don't.

[BrendonL]

Originally Posted by XodusTrance

Anecdotal? Since when did rrod become anecdotal?

MS admits the DEFECT affects 100% of all 360's.

No, that defect is far from anecdotal.

Even the reviews on Amazon.com of the Xbox 360 altogether read like one big thread to the Better Business Bureau.

Let's not even debate the fact that the Xbox 360 hardware is a POS. It's not even worth it. Everyone has come to terms with it and it is still a good console to own.

[Dennis M.]

Originally Posted by kickingtotalass

Sure got me and all my friends. Where is your "proof" RRoD of 1/3?

I'd say Sony was lucky the internet gaming glorifications like n4g & kotaku weren't really around when DRE happened for ppl to realize how bad it likely was.

Also likely offset by the fact a new ps2 was 150 and slim.... i just went and bought another without thinking twice about it.

Come to find all my friends go hit. Anecdotal yes but technically so is RRoD.

MS was named and shamed by a group of American retailers last summer, and that's when we got the often quoted 30% (a bit less than 1/3). Sure, it's not a hard number but it's far more reliable than anecdotal evidence.

[BrendonL]

Originally Posted by kickingtotalass

I'm not saying the hardware doesn't have issues. Clearly it does, but to say we have hard proof of %'s is BS.

We don't.

Well, we have actual hard European statistics from console repair centers. It's better than nothing, the range was 16-33% as of last year, and I know you have seen them KTA I'm not sure why you are just now putting your head in the sand. You are better than this.

[kickingtotalass]

Originally Posted by BrendonL

Well, we have actual hard European statistics from console repair centers. It's better than nothing, the range was 16-33% as of last year, and I know you have seen them KTA I'm not sure why you are just now putting your head in the sand. You are better than this.

It's still Anecdotal. I'm not saying it's not a problem i'm saying we have no clue what the real number is.

Which to me is clear. Hell it could be much worse, but at least since the launch of falcons RRoD seems to be way less of a occurence and hopefully the new jasper boards make strides and god knows maybe fixes the damn problem.