No more Major Nelson....

[RedRedSuit]

Come on, dude. Why are you going for another round of this? We already went through this cycle in the other thread. Yes, the sole improvement ads-wise over NXE is that this spotlight thing is no longer default. But given that it's one button to get away from there into the screen with your disc (My Xbox), and that screen contains no ads in NXE -- unless you scrolled to the right into other content -- whereas the new UI is peppered with ads on that screen and nearly every screen -- it's a losing argument. A sad, silly argument. Having to press one button vs. having ads take literally 75% of used real estate on the main screen and most screens in general... yeah... not overblown. It's



(75% of main panel = ads)

vs.



Or http://tech4teens.files.wordpress.co.../nxe-pic-1.jpg.

^-- No ads on the main screen... Spotlight being default is nothing compared to that given that it's one button to get away from that into the main screen (My Xbox).

Everyone knows the ads are more prevalent now than ever before. Not even if the people don't mind or whatever... they're still there. If you don't mind it, or think they're not ads but "highlighting system content" (chuckle), then more power to you... but it doesn't change the reality of their heightened prevalence.

P.S. Actually the blades were somewhat annoying with the ads too. I posted it about it then, but most people didn't care. They improved it quite a bit with NXE as shown. Then this current awful dashboard update.

[hdinred]

Come on, dude. Why are you going for another round of this? We already went through this cycle in the other thread. Yes, the sole improvement ads-wise over NXE is that this spotlight thing is no longer default. But given that it's one button to get away from there into the screen with your disc (My Xbox), and that screen contains no ads in NXE -- unless you scrolled to the right into other content -- whereas the new UI is peppered with ads on that screen and nearly every screen -- it's a losing argument. A sad, silly argument. Having to press one button vs. having ads take literally 75% of used real estate on the main screen and most screens in general... yeah... not overblown. It's

(75% of main panel = ads)

vs.

Or http://tech4teens.files.wordpress.co.../nxe-pic-1.jpg.

^-- No ads on the main screen... Spotlight being default is nothing compared to that given that it's one button to get away from that into the main screen (My Xbox).

Everyone knows the ads are more prevalent now than ever before. Not even if the people don't mind or whatever... they're still there. If you don't mind it, or think they're not ads but "highlighting system content" (chuckle), then more power to you... but it doesn't change the reality of their heightened prevalence.

P.S. Actually the blades were somewhat annoying with the ads too. I posted it about it then, but most people didn't care. They improved it quite a bit with NXE as shown. Then this current awful dashboard update.

So, you’re agreeing that by your definition, the previous dash booted to 100% ads and the new dash boots to 75% ads.. that’s fine then, we can leave it there. I find booting directly to my content, even with ads/spotlight on the same screen, less intrusive.

[twonunpackmule]

But you are still paying for it also. That is telling MS you don't mind it.

The moment HBO Go hits the PS3, I will not be updating my subscription. I said this earlier in the thread.

[Badger3920]

So, you’re agreeing that by your definition, the previous dash booted to 100% ads and the new dash boots to 75% ads.. that’s fine then, we can leave it there.

If you read his posts, you'll notice that he's been talking this entire time about percentage of 'used real estate' by ads vs non-ads. So, no he's not saying that at all. The context of his most recent example even demonstrates this - showing the increase in ads from a rather clean-looking NXE to the current commercial of a dashboard xbox live provides.

I find booting directly to my content, even with ads/spotlight on the same screen, less intrusive.

Your ardent defense of this whole ads thing is baffling. Ads populating your premium and paid-for dashboard is shitty and it's even shittier as a developing practice, almost every single person here has even admitted such. Defending the encroachment of ads in such a manner doesnt even provide some sort of smackdown face-saving for your console of choice because it has nothing to do with the capabilities of the xbox.

[hdinred]

If you read his posts, you'll notice that he's been talking this entire time about percentage of 'used real estate' by ads vs non-ads. So, no he's not saying that at all. The context of his most recent example even demonstrates this - showing the increase in ads from a rather clean-looking NXE to the current commercial of a dashboard xbox live provides.

If he prefers booting to 100% ads (as he classifies them) then scrolling to your actual content with no ads, fine. I prefer to boot directly to my content, even if there are ads on the same screen. Not sure what to say, it’s not so much a defense as it is a differing opinion.

Your ardent defense of this whole ads thing is baffling. Ads populating your premium and paid-for dashboard is shitty and it's even shittier as a developing practice, almost every single person here has even admitted such. Defending the encroachment of ads in such a manner doesnt even provide some sort of smackdown face-saving for your console of choice because it has nothing to do with the capabilities of the xbox.

The debate over whether a paid service should have ads is a legitimate one. There are numerous examples, from cable TV to Sirius XM (non-music channels) and many more that are subscription based, but also with ads. XBL has been that way since I can remember and I personally don’t find them anymore intrusive with the new dash. Video viewership was up 50% worldwide in the first month the new dash came out, so people are utilizing the new stuff.

[CorruptedDragon]

I still don't understand the whole "I'm paying for it so there should be no ads".

I paid for a magazine, riddled with ads
I paid for a blu-ray, riddled with ads THAT I CANT SKIP before the movie starts
I pay for Cable TV, riddled with ads
I pay for SiriusXM, riddled with ads
I bought a game the other day, WTF why is there a little leaflet in the box for another game?! WTF IS THIS SHIT?! ADSSSSSS!!!!

Yeah you're right. Xbox is so different than the rest of the paid stuff! There shouldn't be any ads! F MS! Everything else I buy and subscribe too doesn't have ads!

[Badger3920]

If he prefers booting to 100% ads (as he classifies them) then scrolling to your actual content with no ads, fine.

No, spin - and unclear spin at that (are you alluding to psn or some similar excuse?) He - like almost everyone else in here, has admitted that all ads are shitty. He also has made the case that ads are more omnipresent in the current dashboard as a percentage of your 'used real estate'.

I prefer to boot directly to my content, even if there are ads on the same screen.

Fine, but that doesn't dismiss that ads are shitty and now have an increased presence on your way to your content.

Not sure what to say, it’s not so much a defense as it is a differing opinion.

No, it's pretty much just defense. You've tried every possible method to minimize this when it's better to just acknowledge it's shitty and move on. Your defense has made this into an entertaining spectacle that never would have otherwise occurred. It's not like it's a catastrophe, or game-ending for your console. It's simply something that sucks and is a hassle - but it only really gets discussed when someone tries to mount a defense out of loyalty. Bouncing from "it doesn't matter, I barely see them because I press a button quickly" to "it's not an ad, it's highlighting system content" is a hilarious progression of impossible and impractical arguments.



The debate over whether a paid service should have ads is a legitimate one. There are numerous examples, from cable TV to Sirius XM (non-music channels) and many more that are subscription based, but also with ads. XBL has been that way since I can remember and I personally don’t find them anymore intrusive with the new dash. Video viewership was up 50% worldwide in the first month the new dash came out, so people are utilizing the new stuff.[/QUOTE]

[RedRedSuit]

So, you’re agreeing that by your definition, the previous dash booted to 100% ads and the new dash boots to 75% ads.. that’s fine then, we can leave it there. I find booting directly to my content, even with ads/spotlight on the same screen, less intrusive.

One button press vs. giant ads on every screen is less intrusive, yes.

You already knew all this from the EXACT same conversation in the other thread. I mean it's the exact same silliness. All that's missing is trying to tell me that XMB is even more intrusive because it boots to... Etc.

So really we could've left it there at the beginning and not gone through the paces.

[RedRedSuit]

100% ads (as he classifies them)

Ha, this again? A, it's how the word's meaning itself classifies them, not me (a point you conceded in the other thread eventually). B, that's apparently how YOU now classify them as you in this thread said "Of course most of those are ads."

[hdinred]

Ha, this again? A, it's how the word's meaning itself classifies them, not me (a point you conceded in the other thread eventually). B, that's apparently how YOU now classify them as you in this thread said "Of course most of those are ads."

Right.. what did you say again, “any mention of a product in which I don’t own” or something like that?

[Badger3920]

I still don't understand the whole "I'm paying for it so there should be no ads".

I paid for a magazine, riddled with ads
I paid for a blu-ray, riddled with ads THAT I CANT SKIP before the movie starts
I pay for Cable TV, riddled with ads
I pay for SiriusXM, riddled with ads
I bought a game the other day, WTF why is there a little leaflet in the box for another game?! WTF IS THIS SHIT?! ADSSSSSS!!!!

Yeah you're right. Xbox is so different than the rest of the paid stuff! There shouldn't be any ads! F MS! Everything else I buy and subscribe too doesn't have ads!

First, a lot of what you mentioned aren't paid-premium services - services elevated above and beyond a basic level of service (not magazines, blu-ray's, videogames etc). Next, there are many premium levels of service that -are- actually premium (one of your examples, Sirius/XM actually uses the 'commercial free radio' as a tagline and, indeed, has a huge array of commercial free music stations). There are premium tv content providers like hbo, showtime, cinemax et al which all basically provide commercial free programming.

Second, the above discussion is unnecessary. We don't need to debate what ads are, or what a premium service is, and then apply our definition across any and all services. That's just a diversion that gets us away from the obvious points at hand (ads are shitty, which you dont debate despite saying they mostly dont bug you, and that the new dashboard has more ads permeating it throughout). These things are all pretty easy to agree upon.

In fact, this whole spectacle never would have happened if HDinRed hadn't contorted and done such gymnastics to try and save face for the xbox in this instance. This is one of those things where, if you're actually worried from a PR standpoint, the best thing you can do is just let it go by and die quickly on its own. As you can see, the opposite has just made things worse and spotlighted the issue with laughable things like "not an ad, it's highlighting system content" etc lol....

Defense here is only making things worse.

[hdinred]

Is this not more correct (I honestly don't know)

are you alluding to psn or some similar excuse?

You should really get a 360.. at least own one long enough like coldfoot did, where he could then tell us, with authority, how everything about it sucked.

[Badger3920]

You should really get a 360.. at least own one long enough like coldfoot did, where he could then tell us, with authority, how everything about it sucked.

It's not really worth it at this point, especially given that it's the end of the gen and new consoles will roll out soonish, and I have a fun stopgap anyway. I owned a 360 for as long as I wished to (and the irony is humorous here because, if I did still own one, I'd just be told constantly, as RRS is, to sell it - see previous page/other thread).

Nevertheless, my ownership (or not) of the console doesn't provide anything here. I'm not arguing that the xbox sucks. I'm am saying, however, that your defense of ads and all these backflips to try and save some honor for the xbox are sad.

[CorruptedDragon]

lol, I'm mostly just trolling messing with people on here for fun.

I'll go into PracticalDragon mode for a second....


The ad's don't bother me too much. I don't think they should be there, but since they are, I pretty much don't pay attention to them. Now, I get people's "pretending they arent there doesn't make it better" line. I just figure, they aren't going to go away, they are everywhere I look, I just have an easier time I think tuning them out. Earlier when thinking about the dashboard, I couldn't even picture the ad's because that is how little I pay attention to them.
So, it isn't defense of MS or whatever, I just don't care about them at all so they really don't register in my consciousness. When RRS posted the picture I was like really? no way. Then I booted up my 360 and looked and yeah, it was like that, I just don't pay attention to it.
Earlier I was "flipping" (digital magazine on my tablet) through an issue of Maximum PC and my father had called and we were talking about something on his pc and was asking me if I saw something in it the current issue (he reads it as well). I was like no, where was that? He was like " oh there was this ad on page blah blah for blah blah" and I was like, i totally didn't see it.
Maybe it's just training myself to not pay attention, i don't know. I rarely even pay attention to commercials on tv.
So, yeah, i get that people are bothered by it, but my "defense" is more my not understanding why people even pay attention to them in the first place. When it comes to ads, I am an ostrich.

[Badger3920]

lol, I'm mostly just trolling messing with people on here for fun.

I'll go into PracticalDragon mode for a second....


The ad's don't bother me too much. I don't think they should be there, but since they are, I pretty much don't pay attention to them.

PracticalDragon approach >>> pretending ads aren't ads, arguing they dont matter, arguing they should be there, renaming ads "highlighting system content"