ITC Rules the Xbox 360 violates Motorola patents

[Indy_aka_Rex]

[Topps]

Like I said, it's BS, and petty. Waste of everyone's time, no matter who's bringing the bs, petty patent suit. I know it's mobility, yet still silly patent bs.

Judge Richard Posner, one of the most distinguished legal minds in the United States, sounds absolutely fed up with Apple and Motorola Mobility for wasting his time with their patent suits. In fact, Posner was apparently so perturbed with the arguments from both companies that he said their cases should be dismissed with prejudice, meaning they cannot be brought before a court again. Per GigaOm, Posner also tore into Apple and Motorola’s reasoning and was particularly incensed by Apple’s argument that unlocking a device with a finger tap infringed upon patented swipe-to-unlock technology because “a tap is a zero length swipe.” “That’s silly,” Posner replied. “It’s like saying that a point is a zero-length line.” Posner also recently posted a rant on his personal blog about the general failures of modern American institutions, including a patent system that he described as “dysfunctional.”

ww.bgr.com/2012/06/08/apple-motorola-patent-case-judge-dismisses-with-prejudice/

[Badger3920]

That's a completely different lawsuit involving the enforcement of completely different rights....

FYI the other case involves motorola mobility as well. Motorola spun off its failing cell phone division a year or so back and today it's called "Motorola Mobility" and Google is its majority shareholder.

This case is a good example of silly, BS, and abuse of the system. Agreed.

[MA16v3]

While I agree it's silly and I don't think it would lead to the weaponizing of patents to shut down Sony's console, I think we should pay attention because this could have a dramatic effect on the console race as it appears neither Motorola nor MS are gonna back down.

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Since we're on the subject of patent trolling, let's talk about how much BULLSHIT Apple's patent suits are, straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ent?CMP=twt_gu

What happened is that Posner, in an unusual move, got himself assigned to a lower court to hear a case in which Apple was suing Google (which had purchased Motorola in order to get its hands on the phone company's patent portfolio) over alleged infringement of Apple's smartphone patents. Posner listened to the lawyers and then threw out the case. But what was really dramatic was the way he eviscerated the legal submissions. At one point, for example, Apple claimed that Google was infringing one of its patents on the process of unlocking a phone by swiping the screen. "Apple's argument that a tap is a zero-length swipe," said Posner, "is silly. It's like saying that a point is a zero-length line."

It's obvious after last week's ruling's that there's major issues going on in Apple's cases against Android manufacturers. If anyone read about how Judge Lucy Koh's justification for banning the Galaxy Tab 10.1 went about, anyone would know how bullshit Apple's suits are, and how heinously ignorant/uninformed the people involved are (The woman held up both an iPad and a Tab to the prosecutors and asked them to "tell the difference". Mind you, she conveniently ignored showing them the back of both tablets, which points out her obvious bias).

I'm all for Motorola/Google using their hefty patent library against Apple, because it's obvious Apple's anti-competitive bullshit shows how bitter they are at Google over Android's success and greater level of innovation in the mobile market. Apple seems to believe its own bullshit hype, suing over their 'originality' (icons on a screen existed since PalmOS, and Android itself looks nothing like iOS, anyone whose ever handled both phones knows this), and their 'innovation' (I'm sorry, Siri, multitouch and capacitive touchscreens are not new functionality on your phone that you came up all by yourself, they're existing ideas you expanded upon.

I'll argue that some of their design suits have a certain merit to them, but the reality of it all is... Smartphones have been the same two basic models for the better part of 10 years, likewise for Tablets ever since MS introduced tablet PCs in the early 00s. It's a screen with a bezel, and outside of Apple owning patents on SHAPES? No official Android phone LOOKS like an iPhone, the closest Android phone to come close to looking like an iPhone was the original Galaxy S, and even that had distinctive qualities in its design that make it different from an iPhone 3GS; not to mention it came out at the end of the 3GS' initial lifespan (the iPhone 4 was announced in June 2010, the Galaxy S came out in the US in July 2010).

Apple couldn't feasibly make the argument that the Galaxy S was cutting into their market by looking similar to the 3GS, the 3GS was all but dead by the time it came out, not to mention it was larger (4" to the 3GS' 3.6''), all Samsung phones carry Samsung or carrier branding on both the front AND back, it had 3 buttons at the front, it was also slimmer and had a distinctive bump at the back. So unless people were blind and lacking ANY sense of touch? They would've known a Galaxy S was not an iPhone. The same goes for Android's stock UI and manufacturer variants (ie: TouchWiz).

[Topps]

Since we're on the subject of patent trolling, let's talk about how much BULLSHIT Apple's patent suits are, straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ent?CMP=twt_gu



It's obvious after last week's ruling's that there's major issues going on in Apple's cases against Android manufacturers. If anyone read about how Judge Lucy Koh's justification for banning the Galaxy Tab 10.1 went about, anyone would know how bullshit Apple's suits are, and how heinously ignorant/uninformed the people involved are (The woman held up both an iPad and a Tab to the prosecutors and asked them to "tell the difference". Mind you, she conveniently ignored showing them the back of both tablets, which points out her obvious bias).

I'm all for Motorola/Google using their hefty patent library against Apple, because it's obvious Apple's anti-competitive bullshit shows how bitter they are at Google over Android's success and greater level of innovation in the mobile market. Apple seems to believe its own bullshit hype, suing over their 'originality' (icons on a screen existed since PalmOS, and Android itself looks nothing like iOS, anyone whose ever handled both phones knows this), and their 'innovation' (I'm sorry, Siri, multitouch and capacitive touchscreens are not new functionality on your phone that you came up all by yourself, they're existing ideas you expanded upon.

I'll argue that some of their design suits have a certain merit to them, but the reality of it all is... Smartphones have been the same two basic models for the better part of 10 years, likewise for Tablets ever since MS introduced tablet PCs in the early 00s. It's a screen with a bezel, and outside of Apple owning patents on SHAPES? No official Android phone LOOKS like an iPhone, the closest Android phone to come close to looking like an iPhone was the original Galaxy S, and even that had distinctive qualities in its design that make it different from an iPhone 3GS; not to mention it came out at the end of the 3GS' initial lifespan (the iPhone 4 was announced in June 2010, the Galaxy S came out in the US in July 2010).

Apple couldn't feasibly make the argument that the Galaxy S was cutting into their market by looking similar to the 3GS, the 3GS was all but dead by the time it came out, not to mention it was larger (4" to the 3GS' 3.6''), all Samsung phones carry Samsung or carrier branding on both the front AND back, it had 3 buttons at the front, it was also slimmer and had a distinctive bump at the back. So unless people were blind and lacking ANY sense of touch? They would've known a Galaxy S was not an iPhone. The same goes for Android's stock UI and manufacturer variants (ie: TouchWiz).

I agree. These patent suits are BS, and pretty petty as I said last page. Hopefully something will be done to prevent such a waste of time for the courts in the future.

[Averry]

Since we're on the subject of patent trolling, let's talk about how much BULLSHIT Apple's patent suits are, straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ent?CMP=twt_gu



It's obvious after last week's ruling's that there's major issues going on in Apple's cases against Android manufacturers. If anyone read about how Judge Lucy Koh's justification for banning the Galaxy Tab 10.1 went about, anyone would know how bullshit Apple's suits are, and how heinously ignorant/uninformed the people involved are (The woman held up both an iPad and a Tab to the prosecutors and asked them to "tell the difference". Mind you, she conveniently ignored showing them the back of both tablets, which points out her obvious bias).

I'm all for Motorola/Google using their hefty patent library against Apple, because it's obvious Apple's anti-competitive bullshit shows how bitter they are at Google over Android's success and greater level of innovation in the mobile market. Apple seems to believe its own bullshit hype, suing over their 'originality' (icons on a screen existed since PalmOS, and Android itself looks nothing like iOS, anyone whose ever handled both phones knows this), and their 'innovation' (I'm sorry, Siri, multitouch and capacitive touchscreens are not new functionality on your phone that you came up all by yourself, they're existing ideas you expanded upon.

I'll argue that some of their design suits have a certain merit to them, but the reality of it all is... Smartphones have been the same two basic models for the better part of 10 years, likewise for Tablets ever since MS introduced tablet PCs in the early 00s. It's a screen with a bezel, and outside of Apple owning patents on SHAPES? No official Android phone LOOKS like an iPhone, the closest Android phone to come close to looking like an iPhone was the original Galaxy S, and even that had distinctive qualities in its design that make it different from an iPhone 3GS; not to mention it came out at the end of the 3GS' initial lifespan (the iPhone 4 was announced in June 2010, the Galaxy S came out in the US in July 2010).

Apple couldn't feasibly make the argument that the Galaxy S was cutting into their market by looking similar to the 3GS, the 3GS was all but dead by the time it came out, not to mention it was larger (4" to the 3GS' 3.6''), all Samsung phones carry Samsung or carrier branding on both the front AND back, it had 3 buttons at the front, it was also slimmer and had a distinctive bump at the back. So unless people were blind and lacking ANY sense of touch? They would've known a Galaxy S was not an iPhone. The same goes for Android's stock UI and manufacturer variants (ie: TouchWiz).

I personally think that Android and iOS are quite similar. Android ended up being a phone OS with pages of icons. I'm not saying that it warrants a lawsuit, as, cause, gee, they're both just mobile iterations of concepts for desktop computing that has existed for years in both desktop and mobile.

The original Galaxy S did look very much like an iPhone 3GS. It had that ugly ass metal bezel and Samsung did in fact use very similar icon art. It was very clear to me that Samsung was infringing on Apple's trade dress as they call it. And I'm talking distinctly about the global/T-Mobile variant. Remember for the first Galaxy S, Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T had different iterations of it. Only the T-Mobile one had the physical stylings of the 3GS. It wasn't until the S3 that Samsung finally was able to sell the same phone on all of the carriers.

To me, Android itself does take many inspirations from the iPhone but those paradigms existed already anyways.

[RedRedSuit]

Yes, Android and those phones were/are a complete rip-off of iPhone. I mean it's blatantly obvious. But then so are lots of things. Usually someone is first, then someone else does it well (Apple in this case), and then everyone else follows suit. Whether it's infringement or not... I don't/can't know. From a layman's perspective the patent system seems vaguely ridiculous when applied to this stuff, but I don't know.

[RedRedSuit]

BTW, $1 billion = petty. FYI.

[Indy_aka_Rex]

It's blatantly obvious how biased the trial was, and how broken the US patent system is.

Oh yeah, by the way, THIS fucking thing predates the iPhone 4 AND the iPhone:




And yet SAMSUNG is the one "stealing" in this situation? Bullshit.

[RedRedSuit]

LG probably isn't suing Apple because it's petty.

P.S. iPhone was on sale only 1 month after the Prada AFAIK.

[Onslaught X]

BTW, $1 billion = petty. FYI.

[CorruptedDragon]

Pretty ridiculous ruling. I heard that all of the jurors tweeted about the verdict on their iphones when it was over

[Dennis M.]

So if I'm following this right, the South Korean court awarded some damages to Samsung and the American court ruled in favor of Apple, while the UK court threw out both claims. It seems that courts are flying their national flags proudly.

[rm082e]

Pretty ridiculous ruling. I heard that all of the jurors tweeted about the verdict on their iphones when it was over

Of course. What else would they be using? Android is shit and should never be used.