ITC Rules the Xbox 360 violates Motorola patents

[Topps]

You argued that apple cares because motorola/google are off on some binge of committing BS acts and they'll soon do so against sony as well.

My point was contrary to yours. I said "IIRC, MS slung patent mud and Motorola is retaliating."

Our points are not the same or even necessarily congruent. This looks ugly but it seems that MS was 'askin for it' given their own prior bad acts.

Well, maybe half agree then. I believe it to be petty what Google is doing. That's why I say BS. And they going after Microsoft on this is just the beginning I believe. That is, if they win this suit overall.

I believe all the suits to be BS, and this is just one of the many that is the hot topic right now.

[Badger3920]

Well, maybe half agree then. I believe it to be petty what Google is doing. That's why I say BS. And they going after Microsoft on this is just the beginning I believe.

You do know that this is in response to Microsoft doing the exact same thing to them first, right?

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Well, maybe half agree then. I believe it to be petty what Google is doing. That's why I say BS. And they going after Microsoft on this is just the beginning I believe. That is, if they win this suit overall.

I believe all the suits to be BS, and this is just one of the many that is the hot topic right now.

How can something Google didn't start, or was involved in initially be petty on their part? Google didn't own Motorola officially until this year, and their buyout talks started AFTER MS sued HTC, Motorola and Samsung over "patent infringement" (indirectly targeting Android). If anyone's being petty, it's MS for being a patent troll.

If you believe ALL the suits to be BS you wouldn't argue that it's Google being petty, you'd argue they're ALL being petty.

[Topps]

If you believe ALL the suits to be BS you wouldn't argue that it's Google being petty, you'd argue they're ALL being petty.

I believe all the suits to be BS, and this is just one of the many that is the hot topic right now.

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[Indy_aka_Rex]

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I believe it to be petty what Google is doing.

So you DON'T think all lawsuits are BS, just the ones involving Google. I don't see you calling MS out on their initial suit, just Google.

[Topps]

You do know that this is in response to Microsoft doing the exact same thing to them first, right?

BS of them to do it as well. But I don't see that thread anywhere here. And I'm guessing Microsoft wasn't able to ban any products of Google, or Motorola.

@Above. Again, didn't see that Microsoft thread, and again, BS of ALL of them. I'm not understanding why you don't see that part of my post. It's all very petty in my opinion. Something that is a waste of time for all involved of such pettiness.

[Badger3920]

BS of them to do it as well.

Okay

But I don't see that thread anywhere here.

Irrelevant, it has been explained several times over in this thread now; three times to you individually; not that it matters really

And I'm guessing Microsoft wasn't able to ban any products of Google, or Motorola.

The outcome of the suit doesnt matter, you're describing as "BS" the enforcement of patents generally. In any case, I do think they saw measured success although I dont remember entirely.

It's all very petty in my opinion. Something that is a waste of time for all involved of such pettiness.

Patents are a HUGELY valuable industry. They are responsible for the wheels of silicon valley turning round and round. Of course, there is policy debate around the subject, but yeah it's not "very petty" - it's a multi-billion dollar if not multi-trillion dollar industry. Now, as to holding a patent portfolio and playing the part of a troll - yeah that can be petty. But, between these large companies - it's certainly no waste of time. It's heavy corporate jousting and turf defense. It can mean huge settlement or royalty payments.

Here, in this case, courts, international courts, and even Microsoft are admitting that Microsoft ripped off Motorola Mobility (sold by Motorola to google and no longer "Motorola" by the way). I doubt that anyone involved thinks it's a "waste of time for all." MS was hoping to avoid huge royalty payments (billions according to them), and Motorola wants payment for what they developed or own - especially after MS aggressively enforced patents against them.

You might look at it all and call it worthless posturing - and sometimes, it is that. However, being quick to judgment can make you miss some pretty big points of importance.

[Almril]

You do know that this is in response to Microsoft doing the exact same thing to them first, right?

There is no response. This is just google flailing around. Apple and microsoft teamed up on google for stealing android. Eric schmidt stole the interface when he was on the board of apple, and steve jobs wanted google destroyed for it and said he would never settle with them. Now that tim cook is in charge and they have thoroughly beaten google, they will probably lay off. And this patent case with motorola will just be settled like all the suits against the manufacturers were. Fantasies of billions changing hands and microsoft being taken to the woodshed are just that, fantasies.

[Topps]

The outcome of the suit doesnt matter, you're describing as "BS" the enforcement of patents generally.

No, I do not believe enforcement of patents in general are BS. I don't know why you have made that up. But I do believe as I have said before, I find this to be BS and or petty. Of course enforcing patents is something that has to be done, but not the way Google is coming after this suit.

Hey, that's fine and dandy that you are in the know of who started what, and by the looks of it, it looks like you are all for Microsoft being sued, and think that there is good reason for this suit. That's fine. I, and by the looks of a couple other posters in this thread, and the lack of posters in this thread. Seems to be this is really a big whoop de do about nothing. Pretty petty stuff IMO. But like I said, you seem to be more in the know since you remember and took note of Microsoft "aggressively" enforcing patents against them. I'm on N4G quite a bit, but I don't recall Microsoft being in the news on that site, when they went after Motorola.

[Badger3920]

There is no response. This is just google flailing around. Apple and microsoft teamed up on google for stealing android. Eric schmidt stole the interface when he was on the board of apple, and steve jobs wanted google destroyed for it and said he would never settle with them. Now that tim cook is in charge and they have thoroughly beaten google, they will probably lay off. And this patent case with motorola will just be settled like all the suits against the manufacturers were. Fantasies of billions changing hands and microsoft being taken to the woodshed are just that, fantasies.

This all began with a patent enforcement action against them by Microsoft. You, yourself, admit that. Between companies this large with these broad patent portfolios, an enforcement action is tantamount to beginning a war, or at least a cold war. Invariably, the other company responds in kind. This is the response suit.

Couching this in terms of CEO grudges and bad acts is fine, but MS is widely understood to have fired the first shot here when they filed for the first injunction.

[Badger3920]

No, I do not believe enforcement of patents in general are BS. I don't know why you have made that up. But I do believe as I have said before, I find this to be BS and or petty. Of course enforcing patents is something that has to be done, but not the way Google is coming after this suit.

Hey, that's fine and dandy that you are in the know of who started what, and by the looks of it, it looks like you are all for Microsoft being sued, and think that there is good reason for this suit. That's fine. I, and by the looks of a couple other posters in this thread, and the lack of posters in this thread. Seems to be this is really a big whoop de do about nothing. Pretty petty stuff IMO. But like I said, you seem to be more in the know since you remember and took note of Microsoft "aggressively" enforcing patents against them. I'm on N4G quite a bit, but I don't recall Microsoft being in the news on that site, when they went after Motorola.

This is a ton of hand waving. Welcome back.

[Indy_aka_Rex]

There is no response. This is just google flailing around. Apple and microsoft teamed up on google for stealing android. Eric schmidt stole the interface when he was on the board of apple, and steve jobs wanted google destroyed for it and said he would never settle with them.

Odd considering google bought-out Android, inc. 3 years before the iPhone came out: http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...0949_tc024.htm And the G1's interface resembles NOTHING of Apple's iPhone (I should know, I owned one). Stealing a "touch screen UI" isn't exactly a claim Apple can use against them outright since WinMo and Palm also had touch-screen UIs long before iPhone.

The original Android plans may have changed post-iPhone, but Google didn't steal anything from Apple, it tried to capitalize on their success... And it paid off, now Apple has sour grapes over no longer being the top-dog in the mobile market.

If the argument of "Theft" can be made based on copying an already-existing idea? Apple would be in so much shit over it. Particularly with Google, considering they've "stolen" so much from Android after it came out.

Now that tim cook is in charge and they have thoroughly beaten google, they will probably lay off.

The majority of the Apple suits started before Tim Cook came into play, and recently it's been Android manufacturers winning the suits against Apple and MS. Regardless, this hasn't affected Google directly and Android handsets still outsell the iPhone.

Apple should've laid off the suits years ago and instead focused on actually fixing and evolving its handsets, which they haven't since the iPhone 4 (But... those guys did get Siri with the 4S! That's something, right?)

And this patent case with motorola will just be settled like all the suits against the manufacturers were. Fantasies of billions changing hands and microsoft being taken to the woodshed are just that, fantasies.

Unlike other settlements, Moto won out this case, this is all part of the appeal process and while they may not get the 4 billion in licensing fees... Odds are they'll still get billions by the end of it.

No, I do not believe enforcement of patents in general are BS. I don't know why you have made that up. But I do believe as I have said before, I find this to be BS and or petty. Of course enforcing patents is something that has to be done, but not the way Google is coming after this suit.

MS goes after Android in 2010:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/19513...o_in_hand.html

HTC settled and now pays licensing fees to MS over it (Because they were a longtime Windows Mobile partner and wanted to stick around with WP7), the rest of them never opened up about it.

MS sues Motorola DIRECTLY in 2010:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...patent-lawsuit

Motorola COUNTERSUES MS in 2010:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...ontinues-.html

Hey, that's fine and dandy that you are in the know of who started what, and by the looks of it, it looks like you are all for Microsoft being sued, and think that there is good reason for this suit. That's fine. I, and by the looks of a couple other posters in this thread, and the lack of posters in this thread. Seems to be this is really a big whoop de do about nothing. Pretty petty stuff IMO. But like I said, you seem to be more in the know since you remember and took note of Microsoft "aggressively" enforcing patents against them. I'm on N4G quite a bit, but I don't recall Microsoft being in the news on that site, when they went after Motorola.

General ignorance is not a justifiable excuse. It wasn't us arguing the claim of pettiness on Google's par, or Microsoft's part for that matter. We didn't call the suits BS either. And now after making a big fuss about a Google conspiracy, we're not the ones trying to sweep it under the rug as a "big whoop de do".

[Topps]

This is a ton of hand waving.

Not quite sure what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? These are very petty lawsuits. Wouldn't you agree?

Welcome back.

Thank you?

[Badger3920]

Not quite sure what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? These are very petty lawsuits. Wouldn't you agree?

Please see Indy's full reply to you above. I earlier had written out a long post reminding you of the discussion we've had since the previous page and why your response misses the point (going off the reservation and talking about N4G, or how I think this is a big deal, or even my opinion). Then I erased it in favor of simply welcoming you back. However, Indy's post handles this quite well and should be sufficient for refocusing the discussion.

[Topps]

Well if my response misses the point, I apologize. I don't know what else to say. My opinion on all this, is that it's a bunch of BS, and a waste of time. Be it Microsoft going after Motorola. Motorola going after Microsoft. Motorola going after Apple. Apple going after Motorola, and so on.

To me it's petty and a bunch of BS. I'm sorry that for some reason you don't get my point of saying this isn't that big of a deal, and pretty much a waste of time for all involved, regardless of who sued who first.

The whole enchilada is a waste of time for everyone. It's BS.

My original post.

Because what Motorola/Google is doing is BS. That's why Apple is caring. Soon Motorola will go after Sony as well. And then you will care too.

No, I didn't know that Microsoft went after Motorola first. Does that change the fact that I think Microsoft doing that is BS also? Does that make it better for a couple of you guys? Not sure if you guys are really, truly understanding, that in my opinion, I believe these suits to be petty bull shit.

Again, not sure why my opinion of these lawsuits being petty bull shit, is that big of a deal compared to yours, and Indyakarex. Unless you two guys think what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. That's the only thing I can think of you guys wanting by the looks of your post. It's only you two that are making this a pretty big deal about Microsoft doing it first. I guess you two are living the, an eye for an eye type of deal? To me it's all BS and petty with all parties involved and whoever started it.

I would like to edit my post here and say that it seems that you two members here must of been for Microsoft originally suing Motorola then right?