Vigil: PS3 "a pain in the ass to work on"

[viewsonic]

I feel this is old hat, and this topic will be littered a bunch of typical responses.

My thing is this, I don't understand the thought process of Hirai. I mean, it's just silly. "Let's make tools that are hard to use because it'll give us 10 years of life!" I don't understand that view point. I mean, why make the tools hard to use? It doesn't help anyone. It only makes your tools hard to use.

It's hard enough to make art...why does the company feel it's smart to make the tools harder?

That's it for my thoughts. I just don't get it.

But in the right hands those tools achieve better results than the off the shelf stuff.

[CorruptedDragon]

Obviously everyone except the Sony devout know that the Sony quote is pure PR bullshit spinning.

"Sir, the tools are ready. The system is done."
"What the fuck is this shit?!"
"Sir?!"
"WHAT THE FUCK! I can program a game this easy? What the fuck are you thinking? It's supposed to be cryptic and hard!!!!"

[rm082e]

Just keep in mind, he's an artist, not a code monkey. He's looking at this from an artistic viewpoint, where he wants the tech to get in the way of his vision as little as possible. I can understand how an artist would have a harder time appreciating the pros with the cons of differing architectures.

Can't wait for Darksiders II!

[Indy_aka_Rex]

Obviously everyone except the Sony devout know that the Sony quote is pure PR bullshit spinning.

"Sir, the tools are ready. The system is done."
"What the fuck is this shit?!"
"Sir?!"
"WHAT THE FUCK! I can program a game this easy? What the fuck are you thinking? It's supposed to be cryptic and hard!!!!"

I'd say it's half-spin. On the one hand, the complexities of the hardware and the toolset adhere to Kutaragi-run SCE's way of thinking (which stretches back to the PS2 days), so I'd say they genuinely believed that it was a good thing for them, but post-Kutaragi SCE is a different beast altogether.

So, while I think Hirai is trying to spin it in a positive light, I'd say they believed their own BS when Kutaragi was at the helm; seeing as how the PS2 was a massive success and that was notoriously difficult to program for.

[CorruptedDragon]

I'd say it's half-spin. On the one hand, the complexities of the hardware and the toolset adhere to Kutaragi-run SCE's way of thinking (which stretches back to the PS2 days), so I'd say they genuinely believed that it was a good thing for them, but post-Kutaragi SCE is a different beast altogether.

So, while I think Hirai is trying to spin it in a positive light, I'd say they believed their own BS when Kutaragi was at the helm; seeing as how the PS2 was a massive success and that was notoriously difficult to program for.

Could be.
Either way, it's pretty silly and only hurt the ps3 this gen. Hopefully they have learned their lesson for the ps4.

[hdinred]

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?"

Almost every console I can think of has shown huge advances from the launch games to end-of-life games.

[RedRedSuit]

It's a dumb thing to say.

Of course he said it 2 years ago, so we've already been over it a few times.

[twonunpackmule]

But in the right hands those tools achieve better results than the off the shelf stuff.

What are you talking about?

*Trying to make sense of this statement in a manner that isn't spin*

Umm, no?

[Pyrochaos]

"We can rebuild him, we have the technology."
-"But it's PS3 tech."
"Fuck."

[CorruptedDragon]

It's a dumb thing to say.

Of course he said it 2 years ago, so we've already been over it a few times.

Yeah, but what else are we supposed to talk about? The forum has been taken over by PC talk in every thread.

Countdown to PC talk in.......5......4.......3......

[KageMaru]

Old and kind of irrelevant news considering the current state of 3rd party development on the PS3 but that Sony quote is still perplexing. Apparently Sony learned the wrong lessons from the previous two generations.
Or maybe what worked against Sega and Nintendo doesn't necessarily apply when competing with a software company like Microsoft.

It's odd really since, IMO, Sony pioneered dev tools and libraries in the console scene. How I understand it, prior to Sony's entry, Sega and Ninty typically put a system together and handed the hardware to the devs with no dev tools or libraries and basically said "figure it out". Sony steps in with the ps1, which was not only competitive in performance and easier to use, but also equipped with decent tools and libraries. I even have a Next Generation mag from 1996 which has a 6 page interview with Ken Kuteragi and he stated that ease of development was one of the focal points.

Considering the free pass they got with the ps2, I guess it shouldn't be that surprising that they thought they could get away with it again with the ps3.

Could be.
Either way, it's pretty silly and only hurt the ps3 this gen. Hopefully they have learned their lesson for the ps4.

I think PSV is proof enough that they learned their lesson.