Xbox 720 to Exceed Current PC Tech

[hdinred]

I don't think that Sega Saturn surprise would work now days, with the leaks and internet being the way it is.

I also am not ready for a new system yet, unless it has full b/c, and a way to transfer HDD content.

If there were leaks, rumors like this are the kind we would hear..

Still, my money is on 2013… fall of this year would be a bombshell.. Saturn like “today” = zero chance.. IMO..

[Favelle]

MS would still then have to figure out what to do with that chip and put their own components on it etc, but sure lets follow your hypothetical and generously say that they realize 100% of those savings.

Sure, say there is even a MASSIVE savings, upwards of one-third/33% off. Then you have cards at $200-$335 a pop. You'd like to sell your console for $300ish, and so far we've only discussed a gpu.

Numbers can go lots of different ways in hypotheticals, but it's clear that we're still talking very expensive hardware with these rumors, even after bulk discounts.

The GPU chip itself is NOT going to cost M$ $300. I will bet my gaming rig on that.

[Badger3920]

The GPU chip itself is NOT going to cost M$ $300. I will bet my gaming rig on that.

Well, we can speculate on the GPU price all day and not really get anywhere. That's why I made some generous discounts and still went on to make my point regardless. These guys want to launch consoles at a price equal to the market value of some of these cards being speculated - and even with discounts and variations taken into account, that's going to be difficult to do without massive subsidies - especially if the rest of the components are going to be top notch as well.

[Favelle]

Well, we can speculate on the GPU price all day and not really get anywhere. That's why I made some generous discounts and still went on to make my point regardless. These guys want to launch consoles at a price equal to the market value of some of these cards being speculated - and even with discounts and variations taken into account, that's going to be difficult to do without massive subsidies - especially if the rest of the components are going to be top notch as well.

I see the chip being a 7xxx series GPU, just not a 7970 one. Remember, a Radeon 7770 can be had for $119. And that's retail, so let's count who's making the $$ before it gets to your computer. AMD...then the vendor (Gigabyte, Asus, etc etc), then Newegg (or other store). That's THREE people getting paid before you buy that card, a fully-fledged card with a full PCB and video outputs, software, other chipsets, DDR5 RAM, etc etc....

For M$ to buy a GPU in the MILLIONS of units it needs, without the TWO middle-men taking their cuts and without all the other hardware involved? I see them getting a 7770 chip for as little as $25.

[Badger3920]

I see the chip being a 7xxx series GPU, just not a 7970 one. Remember, a Radeon 7770 can be had for $119.

Yeah I already covered that base earlier by saying I could see it being true if it's not a 79## series. Somehow, top end (79##) became the topic of discussion.

[Favelle]

Yeah I already covered that base earlier by saying I could see it being true if it's not a 79## series. Somehow, top end (79##) became the topic of discussion.

Even still, a Radeon 7950 can be had for $350 RETAIL. Using your 1/3 rule, that GPU would only cost M$ $117. Not too shabby.

[Badger3920]

Even still, a Radeon 7950 can be had for $350 RETAIL. Using your 1/3 rule, that GPU would only cost M$ $117. Not too shabby.

To PC gamers, that sounds like a steal.

That's still very expensive if you want to release a console at $300-$400. That's over a quarter or over a third of your budget. You still have a shit ton more items and costs to include.

I'll pull a page from the michaelo soundbyte book and say "sounds expensive"

[Favelle]

To PC gamers, that sounds like a steal.

That's still very expensive if you want to release a console at $300-$400. That's over a quarter or over a third of your budget. You still have a shit ton more items and costs to include.

I'll pull a page from the michaelo soundbyte book and say "sounds expensive"

Other than GPU, what radical architectural differences do you think the 720 is going to use over the existing console? They are going to add more RAM, a better CPU....I can't see any crazy R&D (ala PS3) taking place. So up the shit that's already in there, a console they sell for $99 sometimes....yeah, I don't see it being as expensive as you make it out to be.

[Badger3920]

Other than GPU, what radical architectural differences do you think the 720 is going to use over the existing console? They are going to add more RAM, a better CPU....I can't see any crazy R&D (ala PS3) taking place. So up the shit that's already in there, a console they sell for $99 sometimes....yeah, I don't see it being as expensive as you make it out to be.

Well we just speculated a ~$120 spiffy new gpu. Rumors are also discussing some badass new 16 core cpu. Then there is the matter of RAM, hdd, sdd??, mobo, enclosure, psu etc etc etc. If they're going state of the art, as in these rumors, prices add up very quickly especially if you want to launch at $300-$400.

Bulk discounts help a lot, but we're talking about a pretty expensive sounding machine.

[Favelle]

Well we just speculated a ~$120 spiffy new gpu. Rumors are also discussing some badass new 16 core cpu. Then there is the matter of RAM, hdd, sdd??, mobo, enclosure, psu etc etc etc. If they're going state of the art, as in these rumors, prices add up very quickly especially if you want to launch at $300-$400.

Bulk discounts help a lot, but we're talking about a pretty expensive sounding machine.

But the 360 has a HD a PS, RAM..all of those things....and it $99!! I realize the 720 will have BETTER versions of those things, but its not like its inventing anything new. If they stay with the same architecture and just beef up the hardware, costs will still stay low.

[Badger3920]

But the 360 has a HD a PS, RAM..all of those things....and it $99!! I realize the 720 will have BETTER versions of those things, but its not like its inventing anything new.

No, of course not, but those all have costs associated with them and we can certainly predict a cost increase on improved part specs (instead of 1 stick of ram, 2, 3, or 4 - or improved DIMMs, instead of HDD - SSD, etc etc).

At this point, it's pretty safe for us to agree to disagree

The 360 is not typically sold for less than a regular price $199 fyi.

[Favelle]

No, of course not, but those all have costs associated with them and we can certainly predict a cost increase on improved part specs (instead of 1 stick of ram, 2, 3, or 4 - or improved DIMMs, instead of HDD - SSD, etc etc).

At this point, it's pretty safe for us to agree to disagree

The 360 is not typically sold for less than a regular price $199 fyi.

I disagree.......

[michealo]

With the "720" not looking like a 2012 release, I decided to hop on the best buy 150$ refurb slim 250GB bundle today

Now that I own two 360's and play ME3 like its a job, it's about time I defect to MAD.

[Bane]

With the "720" not looking like a 2012 release, I decided to hop on the best buy 150$ refurb slim 250GB bundle today

Now that I own two 360's and play ME3 like its a job, it's about time I defect to MAD.

What's kept you on the ME3 MP so long? I'm a huge ME nut but I stopped in early April.

[Almril]

With the "720" not looking like a 2012 release, I decided to hop on the best buy 150$ refurb slim 250GB bundle today

Now that I own two 360's and play ME3 like its a job, it's about time I defect to MAD.

I had to stop, its the best horde mode ever released because of the variety of play styles. But I was impulse buying too many of those spectre packs.