Oh my Gee Wiz, Sony!

[CorruptedDragon]

Guys my credit card was just charged $60 on Amazon.com!!! WTFFFFFFFF F YOU SONY!!!!!!!!

oh wait I placed an order on there just earlier today for $60

[cuco33]

Guys my credit card was just charged $60 on Amazon.com!!! WTFFFFFFFF F YOU SONY!!!!!!!!

oh wait I placed an order on there just earlier today for $60

Make sure you have it shipped to me :P

[michealo]

Mich... you said, and I quote "i'm assuming shenanigans on your buddy's situation." That tells me you don't believe it which is why I said what I said about expected and putting a blanket over the situation.

You're making the assumption that CC info was secure and encrypted on PSN, which Sony didn't even know themselves for a week... and it was only said just recently, like today, that CC info was encrypted. I'd think a company that deals with CC info via their network, via their Sony story, via anything really.. should AT MINIMUM instantly know how CC info is handled and if it's secure and encrypted.

I agree that anytime you put a CC number on the web it's risky, even if the site is secure.

Even if 'a few'... that's still too many. Shit, 1 is too many in my book. I don't think we'll know the full scoop for quite some time. But I'm not going to go out and deny any possibility when people are making claims that go against 'impossible'. Again, Sony themselves didn't even know, said to check your shit even.

one person's story can't be applied to the entire situation as a "blanket", surely you know this and wouldn't imply it?
1 is too many, as in "1 too many coincidences"?

until we have confirmed reports that CC fraud has occurred in relation to PSN leaks, which we don't, we can't fathom that it may already be happening (which you are doing) but rather deduce that we don't know if it is happening (what i'm doing).

where did "impossible" come from?

[cuco33]

No mich.. if 1 CC incident happens as a direct result of PSN's data breach, then it's 1 too many. 1 coincidence would be 1 coincidence...

You speculate, no... you imply as absolute truth that CC info wasn't leaked. I'm speculating that the possibility is there. And proofz is from my buddy and a few accounts I've read on the web to which I didn't believe until my buddy got the $5 CC DLC charge.

I don't think we'll hear much for awhile on this. I once thought CC fraud was mostly bullshit and would never happen to me since I was generally cautious and safe on how I used my card.. and then I got hit with CC fraud charges some 7-8 years ago from a company I thought no way in hell could be possible that a CC breach would happen.

[KageMaru]

To what product are you referring?

Anyway, Microsoft has a poor record in security. They seem to have improved since the bad old days, but at least on the OS/consumer side, sloppy code largely protected by being closed-source is in their DNA. I will admit that doesn't necessarily translate to enterprise infrastructure security, so presumably they're much better on that end.

You think Windows is a closed platform or did I read your post wrong?

[coldfoot]

You think Windows is a closed platform or did I read your post wrong?

If you read it again, it says closed-source, which is true. Windows/Office source code is not open source.

[michealo]

No mich.. if 1 CC incident happens as a direct result of PSN's data breach, then it's 1 too many. 1 coincidence would be 1 coincidence...

You speculate, no... you imply as absolute truth that CC info wasn't leaked. I'm speculating that the possibility is there. And proofz is from my buddy and a few accounts I've read on the web to which I didn't believe until my buddy got the $5 CC DLC charge.

I don't think we'll hear much for awhile on this. I once thought CC fraud was mostly bullshit and would never happen to me since I was generally cautious and safe on how I used my card.. and then I got hit with CC fraud charges some 7-8 years ago from a company I thought no way in hell could be possible that a CC breach would happen.

aye, 1 CC breach if proven is too much, but he have nowhere near that kind of information that it has.

i implied as "absolute truth", really? perhaps you can point it out without stammering over the sections where i repeatedly state that we don't know if it has happened?. why do you intentionally misspell words when replying?
your buddy's 5$ DLC change likely has nothing to do with the PSN leaks, you can suggest it does all day.
it just doesn't add up when it occurred and what was purchased.

CC fraud happens everyday, the major vendors spend tons of cash on prevention.
not even from "leaks" but often unscrupulous employees or numerous methods other than "hacking the CC data" directly, but this is all irrelevant.

did you happen to see this post?
Oh my Gee Wiz, Sony!
yes, it's a generalization and not likely even completely accurate but is the public to believe your buddy or spokespeople from some of the major vendors?

[cuco33]

Sony themselves said they didn't know if CC info was breached.
They are the vendor who had their network compromised.
They said last week that consumers should be on the lookout just in case.
Only recently, like today I believe, they said that CC info was encrypted. If the hax0rz have the keys, then it's one of those...

Some people get fraud charges on their cards they have linked to PSN.

How's this not add up??

BTW, he hasn't gotten back to me on what day is listed on the charge, so again, not knowing the full extent but knowing that a fraudulent charge was made, for DLC content he could have gotten on PSN (or via Amazon)... how's it not add up??

[Averry]

I take credit card numbers over the phone all the time at work.......it would be EASY.

[michealo]

Sony themselves said they didn't know if CC info was breached.
They are the vendor who had their network compromised.
They said last week that consumers should be on the lookout just in case.
Only recently, like today I believe, they said that CC info was encrypted. If the hax0rz have the keys, then it's one of those...

Some people get fraud charges on their cards they have linked to PSN.

How's this not add up??

BTW, he hasn't gotten back to me on what day is listed on the charge, so again, how's it not add up??

because the last line is complete speculation with no factual data behind it?
you saw the post i linked to that some of the CC vendors claim they "hadn't seen unauthorized activity relating to Sony"? i know you didn't see where i said "we don't know if it's occurring."

repeatedly stating that it may be happening based of many now "some" random internet people isn't practical based off the information we know. then twisting/ignoring my statements is even less practical. how does this not add up?

[TheAnalogKid]

I take credit card numbers over the phone all the time at work.......it would be EASY.

Same here. While we do not get alot of card charges here, I do get them. Over the phone, faxed and emailed to me. The whole number. It is just as easy for me to take one of those cards and rack up some charges on amazon as it is for me to walk down to the cafeteria and eat lunch.

[CorruptedDragon]

Same here. While we do not get alot of card charges here, I do get them. Over the phone, faxed and emailed to me. The whole number. It is just as easy for me to take one of those cards and rack up some charges on amazon as it is for me to walk down to the cafeteria and eat lunch.

I don't believe the above. Who calls and gives a janitor their credit card number? Oh and "lunch"? Nice try. We know you work over nights mopping and buffing.
retry.

[TheAnalogKid]

I don't believe the above. Who calls and gives a janitor their credit card number? Oh and "lunch"? Nice try. We know you work over nights mopping and buffing.
retry.

I don't know where you clean cubicles at, but where I work, we are unionized. No credit card? You come to work and find a pile of shit on your chair.

[Coren]

Billions of dollars of CC fraud happen annually. Over 75 million PSN accounts had their information exposed.

The probability that some of those people had unrelated CC fraud during this time period is quite high.

We have no reason whatsoever to believe that any reported CC fraud right now is as a result of the PSN break. Not yet anyways.

[RedRedSuit]

You think Windows is a closed platform or did I read your post wrong?

It is a closed source platform. (Security-wise, this implies that you can't just look at its source code and deduce an attack that way. Well, you can, if you're really good at understanding large gobs of assembly code.)