Oh my Gee Wiz, Sony!

[Ergo-Proxy]

Well it had to be Epic's fault, utterly and completely. I mean no way the hackers are to blame for hackers hacking Epic. >_>

Evil Epic deserved this epic hacking for their epic incompetence and epically low security measures.

Oh and if the FBI and NSA were hacked by a teenager anyone can be hacked.
It is even believed that he hacked an Interpol website when he was 15.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Greek...A-205040.shtml

[michealo]

Nobody here thinks that fans of Sony might be starting to hack now too? I don't think just because websites are being hacked, it compares at all to the whole Sony PSN being hacked and going down. I sincerely hope your credit card numbers are not messed with on Epics site.

Obviously it's not the same as the psn hack, but it reinforces the point that it could have been much closer and that no network is safe.

[Almril]

just got this email, didn't see epic mentioned anywhere



wonder what they did to piss off teh hackers.

Well it had to be Epic's fault, utterly and completely. I mean no way the hackers are to blame for hackers hacking Epic. >_>

Don't really understand these pathetic attempts at false equivalence again. Their website and forum were down for what, a day, they reset the password and fixed the problem in no time, that's pretty run of the mill and not surprising. If Epic's forums and website went down, and matchmaking services for Gears of War were taken down for a month, we could talk.

[Almril]

Evil Epic deserved this epic hacking for their epic incompetence and epically low security measures.

Oh and if the FBI and NSA were hacked by a teenager anyone can be hacked.
It is even believed that he hacked an Interpol website when he was 15.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Greek...A-205040.shtml

I'll bring up "they fucked with the hackers" again, I know that anyone can be hacked if enough people direct their fire towards you. Sony invited it, and the hackers embarrassed their company. Lesson is, don't go nuclear with your lawyers and raiding houses, let the hackers try and jailbreak your shit, if they do, just fix it. Sony did fix it, and quickly. So I don't really know why they took a machine gun to the hornets nest.

[michealo]

Don't really understand these pathetic attempts at false equivalence again. Their website and forum were down for what, a day, they reset the password and fixed the problem in no time, that's pretty run of the mill and not surprising. If Epic's forums and website went down, and matchmaking services for Gears of War were taken down for a month, we could talk.

I do understand this pathetic attempt to fabricate hypocrisy.
If you miss the reference of my comment, perhaps you shouldn't be so accusatory in glorifying it.

[BBM128]

I'll bring up "they fucked with the hackers" again, I know that anyone can be hacked if enough people direct their fire towards you. Sony invited it, and the hackers embarrassed their company. Lesson is, don't go nuclear with your lawyers and raiding houses, let the hackers try and jailbreak your shit, if they do, just fix it. Sony did fix it, and quickly. So I don't really know why they took a machine gun to the hornets nest.

So just let criminals do their thing. If I violate you in some way, you must have invited it. >_>

[Almril]

So just let criminals do their thing. If I violate you in some way, you must have invited it. >_>

Its not so much letting them do their thing, just that you cant stop it. Unless we just get rid of the internet.

[BBM128]

Its not so much letting them do their thing, just that you cant stop it. Unless we just get rid of the internet.

Which obviously isn't an option, but at the same time, you still can't say that because they really can't be stopped on a practical level that we should just levy the responsibility of their actions upon their target. Nobody made them hack PSN, it was a conscious decision made by individuals. Likewise, with the individuals who are currently being looked at for the PSN hack (as well as possible connection to hackings of banks), whatever the reason they did it, they made that conscious decision, themselves.

Hackers are responsible for hacking. Period.

[Almril]

Which obviously isn't an option, but at the same time, you still can't say that because they really can't be stopped on a practical level that we should just levy the responsibility of their actions upon their target. Nobody made them hack PSN, it was a conscious decision made by individuals. Likewise, with the individuals who are currently being looked at for the PSN hack (as well as possible connection to hackings of banks), whatever the reason they did it, they made that conscious decision, themselves.

Hackers are responsible for hacking. Period.

I'm not arguing that Sony is responsible for the hacking. But they were coasting along, their console got jailbroken, they fixed it quickly. Then they went nuclear with lawyers and raiding homes and not soon after, their entire network was annihilated. They antagonized people that had the power to take them down, they aren't responsible but they took a risk and it blew up in their face. You have to do what MS does, you wield the banhammer on pirates and cheats through PSN and keep updating features as a part of the base system so people don't need or want to jailbreak and its limited to the hardest of the hardcore if it ever happens. That's all Sony had to do. Playing hacker whack-a-mole gets you in a war with hackers and you'll lose everytime.

[D1G1T@L]

Another in the harassing of web sites. https://www.facebook.com/Playstation.Universe

[michealo]

Even community sites are in danger, it seems.

[BBM128]

I'm not arguing that Sony is responsible for the hacking. But they were coasting along, their console got jailbroken, they fixed it quickly. Then they went nuclear with lawyers and raiding homes and not soon after, their entire network was annihilated. They antagonized people that had the power to take them down, they aren't responsible but they took a risk and it blew up in their face. You have to do what MS does, you wield the banhammer on pirates and cheats through PSN and keep updating features as a part of the base system so people don't need or want to jailbreak and its limited to the hardest of the hardcore if it ever happens. That's all Sony had to do. Playing hacker whack-a-mole gets you in a war with hackers and you'll lose everytime.

I still don't see how it excuses criminal action from people completely external from the targetted entity... >_>

[HDDRuss]

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If banks and consumer electronics companies were the same, you'd have a point. Banks always get targeted, they're banks, they have money and everyone's info. Sony fucked with the hackers and they got destroyed. Just the way it is.

I'm not arguing that Sony is responsible for the hacking. But they were coasting along, their console got jailbroken, they fixed it quickly. Then they went nuclear with lawyers and raiding homes and not soon after, their entire network was annihilated. They antagonized people that had the power to take them down, they aren't responsible but they took a risk and it blew up in their face. You have to do what MS does, you wield the banhammer on pirates and cheats through PSN and keep updating features as a part of the base system so people don't need or want to jailbreak and its limited to the hardest of the hardcore if it ever happens. That's all Sony had to do. Playing hacker whack-a-mole gets you in a war with hackers and you'll lose everytime.

...and LMAO at the wording used. A little over accentuated, wouldnt you agree?
Their was an intrusion and Sony took the network down themselves. Where exactly is the destruction and annihilation in that?

[michealo]

Well, I don't care for arguing semantics but they had zero income while PSN was down due to hacker activity.

[CorruptedDragon]

Remember all the barely contained joy years back when it was just the 360 that was vulnerable to hacks, modding, and piracy and stuff? Now it's funny to see how anti-hack the Sony peeps are now. Is it karma?