One Thing Is For Sure After CES...

[sticks]

I think that probably Blu-ray were relying on LG's Super Multi Blue Player, BH 100, badly designed HD DVD player section to destroy HD DVD, but it probably hasn't worked.

I think that I read some where that LG's PC version actually plays HD DVD's interactive feature and also the PC version is probably smaller than the BH 100and if I am correct then it probably may have been deliberate.

I am sure that the chinese would want to buy western high definition players just like Ferraris and Rolls Royces cars, which means that if the chinese government supports HD DVD, then its probably 99.9% curtains for Blu-ray.

I was surprised and thought that it was a stroke of genius to get the chinese supporting HD DVD - I missed that stroke of genius!

Probably, every western country is trying to sell things to India but especially China, because for example a few percentage of chinese buying HD DVD and snubbing Blu-ray should allow HD DVD to win the war easily, especially if India also sides with HD DVD.

The anti-piracy organisation and The Establishment - reducing licence fees to China despite that China is prosecuting some USA fims - verify how important the Chinese market is.

I am sure that the Establishment (film studios and broadcasters etcetera) cannot ignore the chinese market for long.

Probably, the principal reasons why more HD products haven't been sold in the west is because they are unreliable etcetera (HDCP - fiasco) - Only idiots would knowingly buy expensive and unreliable pieces of junk - costing thousands!

It reminds me, of the story with the king walking through the streets with the invisible suit - a boy shouted-out that the king was naked!

To-date, it has been at least implied that HD TVs are superior to the best normal bulky cathod ray tube TVs, in every department, which is obviously false.

A number of sales people, different stores, told me that I should be standing for example at least 6' away, but my attitude was that virtually any TV would look good from 6' to 12' away - it is probably best to test CRTs using magnifying glasses close-up - use calibration DVDs - when have you seen for example a store person using a calibration DVD to check the settings, but most probably wouldn't know what one was for unless read instrustions for the first time.

There are a list of disadvantages of not only HD TVs, but for interlace picture resolutions, which never gets mentioned usually in forums, which is interesting.

Most people in England, which is probably the same any where in the world prefer to buy the cheapest product, which in this case would be the HD DVD!

In England we are not allowed to record HD; programmes and films - what use is a blu-ray, re-writer?

At least in the past in the United Kingdom (UK) we probably purchased more video cassette recorders than any country in the world.

The Establishment, expects everybody to throw away perfectly good and in some cases expensive; equipments and in some cases large expensive libraries of DVDs so that a relativeley few of them can become filthy rich - what planet are they living on? - we should get compensation or better still a straight swap.

The Blu-ray and HD DVD disks are probably a rip-off, because they majority are probably not made to the best quality standard - with for example 1080p native equipments including cameras.

A few days ago I got a shock, because with Blu-ray boasting about their superior memory I would have expected that their DVDs would be far superior to HD DVD's but with Superman Return they apparently weren't - one review!

Any competent computer programmer would have sacrificed memory for the sound for the Blu-ray to be much better than HD DVD's disk!

I read some where that the software on the Blu-ray is badly written and if so that would explain why Microsoft and probably Intel knew that there wasn't much difference between the available memory for films and features - may also explain why LG ran out of memory redesigning HD DVD.

In computer programming terms HD DVD probably has an higher, 'hit rate' then Blu-ray's software.

Doing some research I was sent to a UK site, which sold both Blu-ray and HD DVD films - I apologigise that I cannot quote the site, because I cannot find it, but it doesn't matter - just get experts to compare the sound quality of both versions of the Superman Return HD DVDs.

Blu-ray can explain why if it is the case after all their hype why the HD DVD is best if it is the case?

Superman Return was the best selling HD film for both formats - comparing the same period.

The HD DVD format got an higher score, especially for sound quality, why?

ummm, what colour is the sky in your world?

[MrChaos]

I continuly believe that people are forgetting just how MUCH money Microsoft has in their bank to prolong this war if they choose so. Granted I support both formats (only real way to go IMO), but a decisive winner won't come for some time. So just sit back and enjoy what both have to offer you.

[DustoMan]

One thing I noticed is how stubborn each of the respected camps are. The Blu-ray one especially. The Warner TotalHD Disc panel was probably the most civil.

[OrangeCrush]

http://ces.betanews.com/entry/LG_Hyb..._Is/1168407626

I read that thread too, and it says nothing about how HD DVD feels about the player. It says that LG MAY have a problem getting it certified due to the player not having the the proper software to run the HD DVD interactive features. IT says absolutely nothing about what the HD DVD group has said.

Again this entire thread is an assumption. The only quote we have from HD DVD is that they were overall positive about the player and even tho it doesn't support the interactive features I am sure that HD DVD still considers a Sale of this player better than a sale of a BD only player any day of the week.

Will they support it? probably not. Are they still happy with it, probably not as happy as they originally were but the fact remains the only quote we have from them on it states that they are very happy with it.

I just hate when people assume stuff and then post that up. I am sure they are not as happy with it as they were but again the fact remains the only thing we have heard from HD DVD on it is the quote from CES stating they were happy.

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[OrangeCrush]

I have already read the article and others referring to it where Microsoft has threatened posibility of legal action.

I agree with HD DVD, because leaving out HD DVD features could have been done deliberately to win the war - I eventually realised.

Blu-ray has done a U turn now claiming that they are not worried about a dual player but from lots of things, which I read both camps were refusing for any probably any dual software or hardware to be marketed.

If what I read was correct both sides wanted to fight to the death - winner takes all and completely no compromise!

They hate each other's guts.

I also found a site earliar and what probably everybody has forgotten are one of the principal reasons for the original reasons for the problems between the two sides!

HD DVD wants people to be able to either copy for personal use or to be able to use film for example in any part of the house (for example if down load film on to a computer) send the signal to other rooms in for example an house, which is what I read a message in a forum 2004.

Two people were bickering - one person was telling another person that we already know what the argument is about and that there is no need to repeat the argument.

I said to myself that I and othe people had forgotten the origianl arguments, which was surprising - take a look at this forum and others on also other websites - probably every body has forgotten!

When I read the messages I took the attitude if everybody realised the real reasons for the split then Blu-ray would automatically lose.

HD DVD it appears wants people to record for personal purposes but Blu-ray donot!

I would ask everybody including Blu-ray members have they never recorded a programme, or film and has any person in their family?

Did they prosecute theirselves, families, neighbours or friends who they know have recorded things for personal use?

The Establishment it appears have told governments to prosecute people I am sure for personal use - check the laws around the world for proof!

This is because I am sure that I read some where that LG's PC version will contain HD DVD's Interactive features.

No I haven't forgotten. I have said all along Sony's stance on Piracy and how they would charge you to death for multiple viewing fees and such really sealed the deal for me with HD DVD. Sony would have it so you couldn't make any kind of personal back up and you wouldn't be able to use it on anything but 100% compliant hardware. Who knows where it would go from there? They are the consumers worst nightmare plain and simple and in the end everything that they would do/have done would end up hurting the consumer over the pirates. Again this is one of the main reasons for me supporting HD DVD and I have stated that since my first week on this forum.

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[OrangeCrush]

I have already stated on a previous message that I found an old message dated 2004.

What we have forgotten is that Microsoft and HD DVD if they still feel the same would welcome a dual plaer.

In this situation it appears that LG cleaverly made sure that bluray was excellent, but some HD DVD disks would not play properly giving a bad impression and image about HD DVDs.

This would means that some people would sooner or later blame the HD DVD disk instead of LG!

I realised what had happened may be deliberate whenI am certain that I found one website, which probably stated that LG's PC version would show the interactive feature properly - if I am right then what LG did was try to win the war by making HD DVD part of the dual look useless.

This is why I am sure that if it becomes necessary the HD DVD camp will prosecute.

If I am correct and their PC version works correctly then why did they made sure that their Super Mutli Blue Player BH 100 didn't work properly?

The HD DVD camp probably saw what I saw, which was why they used the example of the interactive feature being leftout.

The problem is that I cannot find it again, which is strange even on LG's, I should have been looking website.

I think that LG will correct problem before selling PC unless they found a legal loop hole.

DL.TV I think episode 129 stated on their video clip that they didn't have a proper logo on the player, which meant that they probably were aware of the problem.

What are you talking about? They came out at the CES and stated that they were very happy about it plain and simple. A quote from 2004? That means what exactly now?

Doby is the one who will most likely end up being right about this whole situation. They will most likely deny registration and thus LG wont be able to market it as an HD DVD player. What LG will do in response is CORRECT THE PROBLEM and make it so it can properly support both formats.

I just dont buy this dark plan by LG to make HD DVD look bad because people would have to have an IQ of less than 10 to think that HD DVD just happened to print all of these extras on the discs box but then decided not to put them in. The damned movies state right on the package that they have special features and such and if it did come down to someone being so stupid that they couldn't figure out why nothing was working they would get in touch with the place where they purchased their player or get in touch with LG directly and then they would learn that the player itself is the reason for the problem.

All of this is insignificant as there is a 99% chance that it will never get to this point as again HD DVD will most likely never authorize this player.

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[OrangeCrush]

You are assuming:-
1) That the high definition DVDs whether Blu-ray or HD DVD has been created
from the best HD source - wrong!
2) You are also assuming that you will get a much better picture quality from
any high definition (HD) DVD you buy than your present standard definition
(SD) disk - absolutely wrong based on the reviews for example grainy
pictures.
3) You have forgotten the reason why we are getting HD (but not proper HD
usually at the moment) it is because The Establishment are not making
enough profits - probably getting less instead of more each year.
Therefore too many organisations are trying to give us HD on the cheap -
taking short cuts, by cutting corners.
4) Ask yourself how is it possible for all the films and programmes to have a
native resolution of 1080p when HD 1080p cameras probably weren't used
on the film sets?
5) A good upscaler for example this one should be good to check out 'OPPO
DV-981HD 1080p' may do a good enough job - place into a search engine.
A) The previous versions got excellent ratings but it only has HDMI 1.1 and
B) I only like to recommend HDMI 1.3 products and check that it has all
the correct funtions therefore you could ask company when will they
get an HDMI 1.3 version.
C) The official HDMI organisation is <HDMI dot org> eperts on HDMI
On the left handside <ABOUT> <FAQ> - no spam etcetera involved.

I am sorry to say this but from reading what I could of your posts your absolutely clueless. I hate to come right out and say something like that but your posts make no sense at all and I dont know if its just because you cant write a proper sentence and paragraph, thus create a proper argument or if its because your really clueless.

You are assuming:-
1) That the high definition DVDs whether Blu-ray or HD DVD has been created
from the best HD source - wrong!

What? What are you talking about? How do you get this from what I wrote about the CES show? I am assuming that the HD transfers have been created from the best source? I dont even know how to answer this so I wont. I haven't said a single thing about transfers in this thread and your assumptions are completely off base and wrong. They are HD transfers period.

You are assuming:-
1) You are also assuming that you will get a much better picture quality from
any high definition (HD) DVD you buy than your present standard definition

Again I dont know where you get this from my thread but you are in fact correct by thinking that I assume this. I dont only assume it to be true I know it to be true. Not taking into consideration the couple of movies that have been released on HD DVD and BD that were just plain crappy releases you get much better picture quality going from SD to HDD. If your trying to argue against this then you should just stop now, its the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen. Are you really trying to say that you shouldn't assume that going to HD will give you a better picture quality? This whole point is ridiculous at best!

You are assuming:-
1) You have forgotten the reason why we are getting HD (but not proper HD
usually at the moment) it is because The Establishment are not making
enough profits - probably getting less instead of more each year.
Therefore too many organisations are trying to give us HD on the cheap -
taking short cuts, by cutting corners.

Again WTF are you talking about? 99.5% of the HD releases have been stellar, at least from HD DVD's camp. BD had huge issues at the start but they have been sorted out and most of their releases are awsome as well. I just have no clue what your talking about. I have purchased over 100 HD DVD's and I have only been disappointed by 1 maybe 2 titles and even those were the best transfers that I had seen to date for the respected transfer. The other 99% of my collection has been absolutely top notch and I have been blown away at how amazing they look.

I have been so impressed by the quality of HD that it changed my overall purchasing strategy. I Was originally only going to update the few titles that I considered my absolute favorites and now, after witnessing how amazing HD really is compared to SD, I am releasing everything that I can plain and simple. Again your just wrong on this topic. The majority and I mean 99% majority of titles that have been released have looked fantastic and I have zero complaints!

Ask yourself how is it possible for all the films and programmes to have a
native resolution of 1080p when HD 1080p cameras probably weren't used
on the film sets?

How is it possible? My god you really are clueless. I am sorry to be so harsh but I think your in the wrong forum. You need to go learn about some stuff before coming in here and debating with everyone. 1080p cameras? 99.9% of all the films ever made were shot with film cameras not digital cameras. Film has an absolutely massive amount of detail. a 35mm film frame has more information than even HD can use. I am not going to go into a huge discussion on this as I am not taking the time to teach you about how transfers are made, you can go look that up on your own. I will simply say that it is simple getting a 1080p transfer from a 35mm film. There is so much detail in a 35mm film frame that it will be enough for the next generation of home movies after HD DVD and BD.

Again your statement makes no sense and it appears that you have no clue how transfers are made or how any of this works. My advice is to go out on the net and learn about this stuff. Go to Wikipedia or some film sites.

A good upscaler for example this one should be good to check out 'OPPO
DV-981HD 1080p' may do a good enough job - place into a search engine.
A) The previous versions got excellent ratings but it only has HDMI 1.1 and
B) I only like to recommend HDMI 1.3 products and check that it has all
the correct funtions therefore you could ask company when will they
get an HDMI 1.3 version.
C) The official HDMI organisation is <HDMI dot org> eperts on HDMI
On the left handside <ABOUT> <FAQ> - no spam etcetera involved

You only like to recommend HDMI 1.3 products? I dont know why that would be. Anyways an upscaled SD DVD doesn't hold a candle to a true HD transfer. Yes it will be good enough for some of the average joe's out there but it still is no comparison. HD kills SD even unconverted. You simply cant create something that isnt there to begin with and the detail simply isnt there in a SD DVD transfer. Again upconversion is nice for some people that dont need or even want HD but its still only an unconverted image and HD kills it hands down.

As for the Oppo it is a great machine, I had one before I got my HD-A1 and ended up selling it because my A1 was better at upconverting.

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[dobyblue]

Most film will allow for a transfer of over 1080p, hence 1942's Casablanca looking so damn good.