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  • DNR and EE What's that?

    13 5.14%

  • Worth It because its an "upgrade" over DVD

    59 23.32%

  • Bad transfer. A rental.

    29 11.46%

  • Defective product. Poor quality control. Recall.

    152 60.08%
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  1. 08-28-2009 07:15 AM #1
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    Exclamation Gladiator comparison *PIX* + reviews with REMASTERED version



    Update: Remastered versions added. Dutch and US versions. Exchange program initiated for the previous (Sapphire) defective product.


    Poll is now close.



    ************************************************** ***********************

    To exchange your defective disc:

    For Germany:

    Universal Pictures Germany GmbH
    Blu-ray Gladiator Umtauschaktion Blu-ray Gladiator exchange operations
    Christoph-Probst-Weg 26 Christoph-Probst-Weg 26
    20251 Hamburg 20251 Hamburg



    For UK:

    Universal Pictures (UK) Ltd
    'Gladiator Exchange'
    Prospect House
    80-110 New Oxford Street
    London
    WC1A 1HB



    For US:

    PHE MKT
    c/o Deluxe Media Mgmt
    PO Box 801464
    Valencia, CA 91380-1464


    Name, address and phone number required and the Disc 1 only is to be sent out for exchange.





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    Dutch and US remastered screenshots added. My review below is from last year for the initial Crapphire™ Gladiator release. The remastered version has corrected the image problems. The old transfer is so hideous and the resulting outcry from A/V nerds has promted the studio to get it corrected as soon as possible. But this is a drop in a bucket there is a lot more HD transfers that has been released that look as bad or worse than Gladiator in need of a remaster.

    Remember that even if it says "HD" on the packaging does not mean you are getting the image quality promised.

    Buyer beware.

    ************************************************** ***********************

    Wow. What can I say? One of the most anticipated title for the new format and they dropped the ball big time. There is quite a few HD titles that has been infected by excessive Digital Noise Reduction and Edge Enhancement and it looks like this is going to continue. Its right there with Patton where its not what the movie supposed to look like. Forget expecting every HD transfer being "film like". AV enthusiasts beware. And to make matters worse the lazy people in charge of the "Sapphire"(sic) brand included the 17 minutes extended edition where DNR and EE was not applied! Where you can see clearly the huge difference in PQ over the rest of the movie.

    Here is a few examples compared to the BEV broadcast Mpeg-2 version:



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    As you scroll down to the rest of the pictures the BEV broadcast version is still the superior version with No EE, NO excessive DNR and overall kept the artistic intent of the film makers.


    Wait there's more . . . . . . at AVS comparison thread the application of DNR erased some of the special effects used during the battle scene!


    Braveheart somehow escaped this travesty.

    Studios should recall all DNR and EE infested HD titles. But that is not going to happen. Like DVD you will be double dipping, triple dipping, . . . . . . . .

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  2. 08-28-2009 07:18 AM #2
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    Left - Crapphire Series (the Defective version), Center - US REMASTERED Edition, Right - Dutch REMASTERED 10th Anniversary Edition Steelbook






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    If you are in the US, the one with no "2-Disc Set" printed is the REMASTERED version.



    Dutch Steelbook 10th Anniversary Edition





    Make sure you have that sticker and UPC for the REMASTERED version.

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    Blu-ray Original Crapphire File size: 44.00 GB

    Bitrate: 23.18 mbps AVC


    Code:
                                                                                                                    Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00013.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:50:58 40,230,770,688  48,345,664,332  31.37   23.18   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4404Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
    Code:
    DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     GLADIATOR_D1
Disc Size:      48,345,664,332 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00013.MPLS
Size:                   40,230,770,688 bytes
Length:                 2:50:58 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          31.37 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        23185 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4404 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4404 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         20.963 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         22.698 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          21.193 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.303 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Korean          13.338 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         20.776 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0.301 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00102.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:10:02.977     2,408,994,816   31,961          
00198.M2TS      0:10:02.977     0:07:11.806     1,696,794,624   31,436          
00103.M2TS      0:17:14.783     0:01:31.007     355,799,040     31,276          
00105.M2TS      0:18:45.791     0:14:05.928     3,302,670,336   31,234          
00107.M2TS      0:32:51.719     0:00:38.538     148,439,040     30,814          
00201.M2TS      0:33:30.258     0:20:39.738     4,852,752,384   31,315          
00203.M2TS      0:54:09.996     0:01:14.365     289,167,360     31,107          
00204.M2TS      0:55:24.362     0:00:46.921     183,097,344     31,217          
00205.M2TS      0:56:11.284     0:01:40.934     396,091,392     31,394          
00208.M2TS      0:57:52.218     0:12:25.995     2,942,631,936   31,557          
00207.M2TS      1:10:18.213     0:00:41.750     164,388,864     31,500          
00206.M2TS      1:10:59.963     0:10:39.138     2,503,962,624   31,342          
00209.M2TS      1:21:39.102     0:04:11.376     967,243,776     30,782          
00210.M2TS      1:25:50.478     0:16:12.638     3,862,474,752   31,769          
00212.M2TS      1:42:03.116     0:02:05.542     486,672,384     31,013          
00213.M2TS      1:44:08.658     0:04:38.528     1,087,586,304   31,238          
00214.M2TS      1:48:47.187     0:03:15.111     761,665,536     31,230          
00215.M2TS      1:52:02.298     0:12:40.926     3,002,327,040   31,565          
00216.M2TS      2:04:43.225     0:01:19.913     311,820,288     31,216          
00217.M2TS      2:06:03.138     0:04:01.658     947,380,224     31,363          
00218.M2TS      2:10:04.796     0:05:20.778     1,248,227,328   31,130          
00219.M2TS      2:15:25.575     0:09:13.261     2,152,175,616   31,120          
00220.M2TS      2:24:38.836     0:00:41.291     163,153,920     31,610          
00221.M2TS      2:25:20.127     0:05:54.020     1,392,826,368   31,474          
00222.M2TS      2:31:14.148     0:02:53.047     677,658,624     31,328          
00223.M2TS      2:34:07.196     0:09:34.073     2,251,530,240   31,376          
00224.M2TS      2:43:41.269     0:07:17.603     1,673,238,528   30,589



    Blu-ray Dutch remastered File size: 45.00 GB

    Bitrate: 17.68 mbps AVC


    Code:
                                                                                                                    Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:50:56 39,158,022,144  48,573,317,520  30.54   17.68   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4408Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
    Code:
    DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     GLADIATOR_G51
Disc Size:      48,573,317,520 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 2:50:56 (h:m:s)
Size:                   39,158,022,144 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30.54 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        17685 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4408 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4408 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Italian         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       German          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Portuguese      768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         24.404 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          21.796 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         20.356 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          23.557 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         21.558 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      20.238 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         21.296 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           19.357 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          20.752 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         20.400 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       20.273 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      21.422 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         20.389 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         18.372 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         71.341 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          60.394 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         57.771 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          70.050 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         63.640 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      65.205 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         63.642 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         English         62.790 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         French          54.163 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Italian         52.665 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         German          62.128 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Spanish         57.649 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Portuguese      54.290 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Spanish         55.101 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.295 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Italian         0.304 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           German          0.313 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0.305 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00135.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:17:13.782     4,020,056,064   31,109          
00009.M2TS      0:17:13.782     0:01:44.687     402,321,408     30,744          
00137.M2TS      0:18:58.470     0:13:52.248     3,227,099,136   31,021          
00123.M2TS      0:32:50.718     0:00:50.717     192,989,184     30,442          
00138.M2TS      0:33:41.436     0:20:27.559     4,732,508,160   30,842          
00127.M2TS      0:54:08.995     0:01:33.343     355,719,168     30,487          
00140.M2TS      0:55:42.338     0:00:27.944     109,910,016     31,465          
00128.M2TS      0:56:10.283     0:01:52.904     441,851,904     31,308          
00139.M2TS      0:58:03.187     0:12:14.024     2,860,167,168   31,172          
00122.M2TS      1:10:17.212     0:00:49.424     193,320,960     31,292          
00145.M2TS      1:11:06.637     0:10:31.464     2,438,780,928   30,897          
00124.M2TS      1:21:38.101     0:04:23.805     1,008,433,152   30,581          
00132.M2TS      1:26:01.906     0:15:51.408     3,724,154,880   31,315          
00126.M2TS      1:41:53.315     0:02:24.894     545,685,504     30,129          
00141.M2TS      1:44:18.210     0:04:27.976     1,036,959,744   30,957          
00130.M2TS      1:48:46.186     0:03:25.121     779,550,720     30,403          
00136.M2TS      1:52:11.307     0:12:30.916     2,906,585,088   30,966          
00133.M2TS      2:04:42.224     0:01:19.913     309,245,952     30,958          
00142.M2TS      2:06:02.137     0:04:01.658     940,726,272     31,142          
00134.M2TS      2:10:03.795     0:05:20.778     1,225,838,592   30,572          
00143.M2TS      2:15:24.574     0:09:13.261     2,117,720,064   30,622          
00125.M2TS      2:24:37.835     0:00:50.967     197,001,216     30,922          
00144.M2TS      2:25:28.803     0:05:44.344     1,328,664,576   30,868          
00129.M2TS      2:31:13.147     0:02:53.047     657,137,664     30,379          
00147.M2TS      2:34:06.195     0:09:34.073     2,115,624,960   29,482          
00131.M2TS      2:43:40.268     0:07:16.644     1,289,969,664   23,634

    QUICK SUMMARY:

    Disc Title: GLADIATOR_G51
    Disc Size: 48,573,317,520 bytes
    Protection: AACS
    BD-Java: Yes
    Playlist: 00000.MPLS
    Size: 39,158,022,144 bytes
    Length: 2:50:56
    Total Bitrate: 30.54 Mbps
    Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 17685 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
    Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4408 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
    Audio: French / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
    Audio: Italian / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
    Audio: German / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
    Audio: Spanish / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
    Audio: Portuguese / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
    Audio: Spanish / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
    Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
    * Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
    * Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB
    Subtitle: English / 24.404 kbps
    Subtitle: French / 21.796 kbps
    Subtitle: Italian / 20.356 kbps
    Subtitle: German / 23.557 kbps
    Subtitle: Spanish / 21.558 kbps
    Subtitle: Portuguese / 20.238 kbps
    Subtitle: Spanish / 21.296 kbps
    Subtitle: Dutch / 19.357 kbps
    Subtitle: Danish / 20.752 kbps
    Subtitle: Finnish / 20.400 kbps
    Subtitle: Norwegian / 20.273 kbps
    Subtitle: Portuguese / 21.422 kbps
    Subtitle: Swedish / 20.389 kbps
    Subtitle: Chinese / 18.372 kbps
    Subtitle: English / 71.341 kbps
    Subtitle: French / 60.394 kbps
    Subtitle: Italian / 57.771 kbps
    Subtitle: German / 70.050 kbps
    Subtitle: Spanish / 63.640 kbps
    Subtitle: Portuguese / 65.205 kbps
    Subtitle: Spanish / 63.642 kbps
    * Subtitle: English / 62.790 kbps
    * Subtitle: French / 54.163 kbps
    * Subtitle: Italian / 52.665 kbps
    * Subtitle: German / 62.128 kbps
    * Subtitle: Spanish / 57.649 kbps
    * Subtitle: Portuguese / 54.290 kbps
    * Subtitle: Spanish / 55.101 kbps
    Subtitle: French / 0.295 kbps
    Subtitle: Italian / 0.304 kbps
    Subtitle: German / 0.313 kbps
    Subtitle: Spanish / 0.305 kbps




    Blu-ray US remastered File size: 44.40 GB

    Bitrate: 23.11 mbps AVC



    Code:
                                                                                                                    Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00010.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:50:58 40,128,897,024  47,792,181,038  31.29   23.11   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4404Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
    Code:
    DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     GLADIATOR_D1
Disc Size:      47,792,181,038 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00010.MPLS
Length:                 2:50:58 (h:m:s)
Size:                   40,128,897,024 bytes
Total Bitrate:          31.29 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        23109 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4404 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4404 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
* Presentation Graphics         English         20.963 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         English         22.698 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         French          21.193 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Spanish         20.769 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Korean          13.338 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         French          0.303 kbps                      
* Presentation Graphics         Spanish         0.301 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00102.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:10:02.977     2,402,967,552   31,881          
00198.M2TS      0:10:02.977     0:07:11.806     1,714,053,120   31,756          
00103.M2TS      0:17:14.783     0:01:31.007     359,583,744     31,609          
00105.M2TS      0:18:45.791     0:14:05.928     3,281,092,608   31,030          
00107.M2TS      0:32:51.719     0:00:38.538     147,572,736     30,634          
00201.M2TS      0:33:30.258     0:20:39.738     4,840,157,184   31,233          
00203.M2TS      0:54:09.996     0:01:14.365     287,318,016     30,909          
00204.M2TS      0:55:24.362     0:00:46.921     181,911,552     31,015          
00205.M2TS      0:56:11.284     0:01:40.934     393,517,056     31,190          
00208.M2TS      0:57:52.218     0:12:25.995     3,101,374,464   33,259          
00207.M2TS      1:10:18.213     0:00:41.750     163,448,832     31,320          
00206.M2TS      1:10:59.963     0:10:39.138     2,487,312,384   31,133          
00209.M2TS      1:21:39.102     0:04:11.376     976,816,128     31,087          
00210.M2TS      1:25:50.478     0:16:12.638     3,838,261,248   31,570          
00212.M2TS      1:42:03.116     0:02:05.542     482,525,184     30,748          
00213.M2TS      1:44:08.658     0:04:38.528     1,080,938,496   31,047          
00214.M2TS      1:48:47.187     0:03:15.111     830,638,080     34,058          
00215.M2TS      1:52:02.298     0:12:40.926     3,021,238,272   31,764          
00216.M2TS      2:04:43.225     0:01:19.954     310,056,960     31,023          
00217.M2TS      2:06:03.180     0:04:01.658     941,291,520     31,161          
00218.M2TS      2:10:04.838     0:05:20.737     1,239,705,600   30,921          
00219.M2TS      2:15:25.575     0:09:13.261     2,153,312,256   31,136          
00220.M2TS      2:24:38.836     0:00:41.291     162,158,592     31,418          
00221.M2TS      2:25:20.127     0:05:54.020     1,411,381,248   31,894          
00222.M2TS      2:31:14.148     0:02:53.089     673,314,816     31,120          
00223.M2TS      2:34:07.237     0:09:34.073     2,236,944,384   31,173          
00224.M2TS      2:43:41.311     0:07:17.395     1,410,004,992   25,789
    QUICK SUMMARY:

    Disc Title: GLADIATOR_D1
    Disc Size: 47,792,181,038 bytes
    Protection: AACS
    BD-Java: Yes
    Playlist: 00010.MPLS
    Size: 40,128,897,024 bytes
    Length: 2:50:58
    Total Bitrate: 31.29 Mbps
    Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 23109 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
    Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4404 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
    Audio: French / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
    Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
    Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
    * Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
    * Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB
    * Subtitle: English / 20.963 kbps
    * Subtitle: English / 22.698 kbps
    * Subtitle: French / 21.193 kbps
    * Subtitle: Spanish / 20.769 kbps
    * Subtitle: Korean / 13.338 kbps
    * Subtitle: French / 0.303 kbps
    * Subtitle: Spanish / 0.301 kbps

    Last edited by Xylon; 08-10-2010 at 07:23 AM.
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  10. 08-28-2009 07:44 AM #10
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    Recall, but I will be renting just to see.
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  11. 08-28-2009 07:51 AM #11
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    Wow, Xylon has made it over to the HD Digest forum. Xylon brings forth lots of great comparison pictures, for sure. I think it's great he's here now.

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  12. 08-28-2009 08:00 AM #12
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    I gotta be honest--I feel two of the options reflect my opinion. I think it is faulty product, possibly the worst looking BD in my collection (in comparison with how it should have rightfully looked), and should be immediately recalled and replaced with a properly remastered version (hell, Warner Bros was willing to do this for a single botched frame of THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS). If the studio forgoes that route (which is what I expect) then I am still glad I own this BD since, compromised as it is, it is still clearly an improvement over both SD-DVD editions.
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  13. 08-28-2009 08:30 AM #13
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    Default Vote: defective

    Xylon, in the interest of getting right to the point for everyone to see, please show the stealthy ghost spears and cloaked flaming arrows. Throw in a really juicy "protective force field", Dark Knight style while you're at it too. Nice to know the Romans where using Gotham City police force fields back in the day.

    Defective product, no doubt.
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  14. 08-28-2009 08:55 AM #14
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    I can definitely see some of the artifacts people are talking about. I was on the fence with this film as it is but this pretty much kills it. Rental.
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  15. 08-28-2009 09:01 AM #15
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    Well I've already stated elsewhere that the removal of actual film elements by overzealous scratch/damage filtering makes this a defective disc.

    Had that not been the case, I'd have considered this a sub standard release due to the DNR and EE which are quite heavy (except the Extended Edition scenes which appear to be great).

    I'm extremely confident this'll get a re-issue. Unfortunately a re-issue might just use the DNR/EE master again sans the poorly used scratch removal techniques.

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    Comparison of Theatrical vs. Extended:


    Sample of Scratch/Damage removal software that has either painted out and/or obscurred film details:
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    This has the original elements from the HD broadcast overlayed on the Blu-Ray shot with guide arrows to show corresponding positions of the elements. Sometimes elements are missing, sometimes there is some data left. This can happen if automated scratch/damage filters are run without proper quality control in place. In this case flames and arrows change enough between consecutive frames that the software simply sees them as random imperfections such as scratches or burn marks and attempts to paint them out.

    Cropped and zoomed 200% to make identifying the partially blotched out arrows easier. At 100% some people didn't see the partially erased arrows and thought that the frames were at different times.
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