First two titles from SONY with DolbyTrueHD

[Neutral101]

Here's more information:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=64577

I'll probably buy Ghost Rider just for the TrueHD sound, I haven't seen the movie yet so I hope it's good.

[D3lta]

Here's more information:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=64577

I'll probably buy Ghost Rider just for the TrueHD sound, I haven't seen the movie yet so I hope it's good.

The TrueHD sound is great, but if your expecting a lot from the movie itself, don't expect much. It's a pretty bad movie.

[Neutral101]

The TrueHD sound is great, but if your expecting a lot from the movie itself, don't expect much. It's a pretty bad movie.

Thanks for the info, I might just give it a rent so I can hear the TrueHD sound.

Also, here's the other title with TrueHD:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=64406

I have no interest in seeing this movie.

[LembasBread]

I'll probably buy Ghost Rider just for the TrueHD sound, I haven't seen the movie yet so I hope it's good.

Why? The LPCM track that it would otherwise come with would sound just as good or better.

[Neutral101]

Why? The LPCM track that it would otherwise come with would sound just as good or better.

Because I want to hear TrueHD on Blu-ray, I don't have any titles with TrueHD on BD yet. Don't get me wrong I love uncompressed PCM but I want to compare the two sound formats. The have three titles with TrueHD, Batman Begins, V for Ventetta and End of Days; of course those titles are on the other format.

[Neutral101]

The have three titles with TrueHD, Batman Begins, V for Ventetta and End of Days; of course those titles are on the other format.

I meant to say "The three titles I have with TrueHD are ...."

Typed too fast I guess.

[LembasBread]

Because I want to hear TrueHD on Blu-ray, I don't have any titles with TrueHD on BD yet.

Yeah I hear ya (bud-um bum ). But you may want to skip Ghost Rider, though. It's cheesier than a quesadilla.

[resevilfan86]

Question is why would sony put in TrueHD AND PCM on one movie, what purpose would that serve (besides letting people compare the two)

Also, when are we going to start to see the uncompressed or TrueHD/DTS HD Master 7.1 titles. I saw that rumor about LOTR but thats it...

[LembasBread]

I don't know if we'll ever see a title with 7.1. 5.1 is the feature film standard right now and even then it barely is. And 6.1 is even more rare. So to see something mixed in 7.1, would be peculiar because no one really knows how to use/mix a 7.1 channel mix (i.e. should it be used for yet another back surround? stereo sub channel? or even a height channel?). IMO, having 4 back surround channels is overkill and not very beneficial in the whole psychoacoustic scheme of things.

[resevilfan86]

You are right about the 5.1 for movies but that mostly goes for older movies, most newer movies i know for a fact are 7.1. Most theaters also have a 7.1 sound system in them and even though movies dont have to take full advantage of that, I know a lot of them do now. And about 6.1, there are lots of 6.1 DTS (and even some Dolby) dvds out there on the market. I have not seen one 7.1 obviously so i cant say i agree with ur statement about 6.1 being more rare.

But anyways, basically is that I am surprised that Blu-ray having all this room, should start releasing movies in 7.1 now that they have the 50 gig discs. And i just read that "Waiting" from Lionsgate with have 7.1 PCM. Hopefully more are on the horizon.

[dobyblue]

Actually there aren't too many theatrical releases with 7.1
Sony Dynamic Digital Sound uses 7.1, but that is two extra front channels, not two extra rears.
Even SDDS tracks rarely have full use of the 7.1
http://sdds.com/
In fact the ones using 8 channels have all been from Columbia of recent times.

Feb 07 - Ghost Rider
Sep 06 - Open Season
Aug 06 - Talledega Nights
May 06 - Da Vinci Code

The last one that wasn't from Sony/Columbia was Oceans 12 from Warner.

Ghost in the Shell 2 : Innocence has LPCM 7.1 track on its Blu-ray release.

It's likely that Lord of the Rings will have a 7.1 track on it. You can pretty much guarantee that Lionsgate has done a remixed 7.1 track for Waiting and it wasn't originally done that way.

Any DVD with DTS:ES or Dolby:EX on it very well may have come from a 7.1 master, but I don't know enough people in the bus to verify or deny that.

paidgeek informed us that Sony would start using TrueHD along with PCM, it has the bandwidth, and would use 24/48 if the master was in this resolution. I think he said Stomp The Yard would be the first and Ghost Rider would follow. Once more receivers and players are out they will likely make the switch to TrueHD. It is lossless after all and I know Dolby have been working with the BDA to make advancements in the technology.

[LembasBread]

The thing is that there hasn't been a standard set for 7.1 for consumers yet. With theatrical SDDS, we know that standard is 2 extra front channels, with 6.1 DTS-ES and Dolby Digital EX we know the standard is a center back surround channel because they've told us so. But with 7.1, Dolby or DTS hasn't come out with something like DTS-ES-ES or something to that effect to standardize that 7th channel to be yet another back surround.

So while we can all assume that the 7th channel will be utilized for another back surround, there may be other applications that sound engineers may want to use it for and the consumers won't know about it unless specified on the package. With DTS-ES you think, "OK, there's one more back surround channel." But, since 7.1 consumer applications hasn't been standardized consumers might think, "OK it's now 7.1 so that means there's another back surround," when that may not neccessarily be the case.

With PCM there isn't really a standard either so we always assume that the 5.1 PCM means L, C, R, RS, LS and LFE. But, with 7.1 PCM, how do we know that the producers aren't wanting to reproduce the 7.1 SDDS mix master with the two extra front channels? I just think that 7th channel could be used for something other than yet another back surround, but unfortunately because we all assume that it will just be another back surround that's what it will most likely be used for. That, unfortunately, is because all the consumers who've been purchasing "7.1" receivers for the last few years have been told to just plop it behind you next to the channel that's already there. So that's what consumers have been trained to do and they're not going to want to get up and rearrange their speaker configurations everytime a "non-standardized" 7.1 channel title comes along.

Anywhoo... sorry for the off-topic rant. Back to Sony and TrueHD or any studio for that fact, when they start adding that 7th full-range channel, they should notify the consumer what it actually is.

[dobyblue]

I know that the 7.1 PCM track on Ghost in the Shell 2 : Innocence is 4 surrounds.

Dolby have basically standardized on their website what 7.1 will be and as such I imagine any TrueHD 7.1 tracks will follow this set-up.

6.1 or 7.1 Setup
The most advanced home theater systems feature six (with Center Back) or seven (with Left Back/Right Back) full-range channels that allow viewers to take full advantage of Dolby Digital EX soundtracks and Dolby Pro Logic® IIx matrix-surround decoding technology. Both of these processes add surround information for greater realism and more dramatic effects.

[LembasBread]

So they're taking the THX approach. Which I think is only useful in certain applications such as large home theatres with no specific sweet spot that's designed for larger audiences.

[resevilfan86]

Ah yes i have forgotten about the different standards for the surround sound placement thanks for the reminder. But that brings up another question though, if some movies that were recorded in 2.0 and can be remastered into a 5.1, why couldnt 5.1 mastered tracks be remastered digitally to add on 2 more extra rear channels? Or could they...

But anyways back on track.. I have been trying to find info on why BD has trouble getting TrueHD to work well and I cant seem to figure out if it was a software or hardware isssue.