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Old 09-21-2008, 12:43 AM
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You people are ludicrous. The moment I hit ten posts, I will prove to you that HDDVD has more jaggies.
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You people are ludicrous. The moment I hit ten posts, I will prove to you that HDDVD has more jaggies.
No one is saying that it doesn't. Most are saying its barely noticeable...
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:15 AM
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No one is saying that it doesn't. Most are saying its barely noticeable...
I was referring to some person a few pages back who insulted people by saying that we were fooling ourselves in thinking it was better just because it was Blu. It is better though, no matter how minute.
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I was referring to some person a few pages back who insulted people by saying that we were fooling ourselves in thinking it was better just because it was Blu. It is better though, no matter how minute.
Yeah, but its better like a car that goes from 0-60 in 6.5 seconds over a car that goes 0-60 in 6.7 seconds. Technically better on paper but its basically the same thing.
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:16 AM
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Yeah, but its better like a car that goes from 0-60 in 6.5 seconds over a car that goes 0-60 in 6.7 seconds. Technically better on paper but its basically the same thing.
Not if you're racing to 60 and lose by 0.2 seconds.
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Old 09-21-2008, 05:29 AM
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I was referring to some person a few pages back who insulted people by saying that we were fooling ourselves in thinking it was better just because it was Blu. It is better though, no matter how minute.
I dont know why its worth your time if its so minutes.


Something that small could easily be the output of the player.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:18 AM
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I dont know why its worth your time if its so minutes.


Something that small could easily be the output of the player.
Even if the detail difference is minute, I would rather have it than not.

Anyway the HD DVD version video was encoded at the maximum possible bitrate for the format taking into account the formats bandwidth and size. That is why there was a lack of lossless audio as it would have taken up too much space on the disc.

The Blu-ray version is at a much higher video bitrate and still there is room for lossless audio.

If HD DVD had won the format war lossless audio would always be the exception rather than the rule.

Fortunately we now have the situation where all the movie studios with the exception of Warner are using lossless audio on all titles.
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Old 09-21-2008, 12:00 PM
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Even if the detail difference is minute, I would rather have it than not.

Anyway the HD DVD version video was encoded at the maximum possible bitrate for the format taking into account the formats bandwidth and size. That is why there was a lack of lossless audio as it would have taken up too much space on the disc.

The Blu-ray version is at a much higher video bitrate and still there is room for lossless audio.

If HD DVD had won the format war lossless audio would always be the exception rather than the rule.

Fortunately we now have the situation where all the movie studios with the exception of Warner are using lossless audio on all titles.

And you still wouldn't be able to tell.

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Old 09-21-2008, 12:25 PM
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Even if the detail difference is minute, I would rather have it than not.

Anyway the HD DVD version video was encoded at the maximum possible bitrate for the format taking into account the formats bandwidth and size. That is why there was a lack of lossless audio as it would have taken up too much space on the disc.

The Blu-ray version is at a much higher video bitrate and still there is room for lossless audio.

If HD DVD had won the format war lossless audio would always be the exception rather than the rule.

Fortunately we now have the situation where all the movie studios with the exception of Warner are using lossless audio on all titles.
While I agree with the above (mostly) Blu-ray, unfortunately, has it's own problems.... As you say, Warner has it's 'issues' regarding lossless but, some studios (Universal, Fox) are dropping features [that do appear on the DVD versions] on new releases and catalogs alike. These issues could [probably] be attributed to a part of the formats own spec - that damn BD-25 (Anytime something was missing on a HD DVD it was because of the HD-30 - how can 5 gigs less space not also be to blame).

Also, bitrate isn't always greater on blu-ray - the new BD version of U-571 has a lower average bitrate (although it does have higher peaks) than the HD DVD version, added DNR to cope with the low bitrate and a loss of many of it's extras. Sure, it has lossless DTS-HD MA now but the PQ is worse and it has less extras.

Blu-ray has the potential to be better than HD DVD and many times it
is.... but, that BD-25 is making it a lot harder to say that it's better every time.
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:34 PM
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Even if the detail difference is minute, I would rather have it than not.

Anyway the HD DVD version video was encoded at the maximum possible bitrate for the format taking into account the formats bandwidth and size. That is why there was a lack of lossless audio as it would have taken up too much space on the disc.

The Blu-ray version is at a much higher video bitrate and still there is room for lossless audio.

If HD DVD had won the format war lossless audio would always be the exception rather than the rule.

Fortunately we now have the situation where all the movie studios with the exception of Warner are using lossless audio on all titles.

bla bla bla.

Blu Ray is more capable, yes OKAY. I agree.


But if you sit and tell me that the video on Transformers on Blu is better...than I'll tell you it fucking aint.
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Old 09-21-2008, 07:45 PM
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You cetainly can't tell the difference when watching the movie. On a still frame blown up, yes, but I don't watch my movies one frame at a time at 200% to 300% original size.
I hope no one else does either. Otherwise they have some serious issues.
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Old 09-22-2008, 06:21 PM
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You cetainly can't tell the difference when watching the movie. On a still frame blown up, yes, but I don't watch my movies one frame at a time at 200% to 300% original size.
I hope no one else does either. Otherwise they have some serious issues.
Technically I do watch my movies one frame at a time. I kid I kid.
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