Transformers comparison *PIX*

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

My 50mbs connection already seems too slow.

:|

[chronman23]

is anyone still waiting for transformers to arrive from amazon? I pre-ordered it and I still haven't received it. The info page says it's been sitting in Jacksonville, fl for 5 days.

[sagafoo.com]

Originally Posted by Ellsworth

something is different between the 2 versions. I'm referring to PQ.

Either there is more noise on the HD DVD version [in a bad way] or the BD version has some sort of filter to remove grain.

Even on the unfocused part of the image behind and to the left of the girl, there are differences in the hillside. Minute tiny differences. Perhaps its just the renderer of the player used?

With the high action scenes its much more noticeable. On the close up of the girl, its difficult to see any perceiveable differences.

If xylon still is stoping by this thread, I'd love a few more image caps of fast motion, without labels, to see if there is a noticeable difference.

I think I can tell them apart, but not having seen it running on either format, I don't really feel like I can say which looks better. Just that I can tell the difference in stills.

I'm willing to accept that in motion you can't see the difference.

I have a 60" screen. I'd be tempted to say that even at 60" the differences would be so minor as to be completely not noticeable. [i sit around 10 feet away from the tv] maybe at around 10 feet away from a 100" screen. [assuming 1080p projector]

I think you are right on in most of this except im not willing to accept that in motion you can't see the difference.... i think the blu ray shots show a clear indication that at a higher bitrate pictures become much more defined and clear or sharp.

I think most people sitiing at home comparing the shots and not seeing any difference between BD and HDDVD have older computer monitors which are not 1080i monitors...i mean how else could you compare those shots!
has to be a hd pc monitor, if its not I say your visuals are comprimised by your sytems and you're not seeing it for a reason.

bitrate makes a hige difference on mpeg2 video, why wouldnt it on mpeg4????
oh, i might add that the individuals vision could be an issue...my vision is beyond 20/20.....and im 37 y.o.
my 2 cents

[Super-VHS]

Originally Posted by sagafoo.com

I think you are right on in most of this except im not willing to accept that in motion you can't see the difference.... i think the blu ray shots show a clear indication that at a higher bitrate pictures become much more defined and clear or sharp.

I think most people sitiing at home comparing the shots and not seeing any difference between BD and HDDVD have older computer monitors which are not 1080i monitors...i mean how else could you compare those shots!
has to be a hd pc monitor, if its not I say your visuals are comprimised by your sytems and you're not seeing it for a reason.

I don't know about other people but I've seen the shots on a 1680 by 1050 iMac, 1440 by 900 Macbook Pro and a 1920 by 1080p Samsung HDTV

Originally Posted by sagafoo.com

bitrate makes a huge difference on mpeg2 video, why wouldnt it on mpeg4????

Greater codec efficiency and law of diminishing returns is why....

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by Super-VHS

Greater codec efficiency and law of diminishing returns is why....

Yepyep, with mpeg4 results are generally optimized in the upper 20mbps range. Above that and it becomes a struggle to perceive any improvements.

[Deathpoop]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Yepyep, with mpeg4 results are generally optimized in the upper 20mbps range. Above that and it becomes a struggle to perceive any improvements.

Wrong. BD is always better even when it is not...take off your red glasses.

Xylons, where are the super enlarged insert comparison shots. I want to prove everyone wrong and show them that higher bitrate and spec quoting means BD inserts are also slightly better.

I kid, I kid...

[Xylon]

[Xylon]

[Blacklac]

There we go. You can tell in those closeups the Blu version has sharper, cleaner lines. Although, I highly doubt you could tell on a screen, perhaps on a huge projection setup.

[Josh Z]

Originally Posted by Blacklac

There we go. You can tell in those closeups the Blu version has sharper, cleaner lines.

Exactly where in the image are you seeing "sharper, clearer lines"? I opened the two shots in separate browser windows and have been tabbing between them. The only difference I can see is that the HD DVD is slightly grainier around the thrusters at the bottom of the frame.

[Deathpoop]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

Exactly where in the image are you seeing "sharper, clearer lines"? I opened the two shots in separate browser windows and have been tabbing between them. The only difference I can see is that the HD DVD is slightly grainier around the thrusters at the bottom of the frame.

I can't concentrate on either capture to compare pq because I'm too busy trying to figure what the hell that giant mass of metal CGI is supposed to be...Headmasters Scorponok is turning in his grave...

[Blacklac]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

Exactly where in the image are you seeing "sharper, clearer lines"? I opened the two shots in separate browser windows and have been tabbing between them. The only difference I can see is that the HD DVD is slightly grainier around the thrusters at the bottom of the frame.

Seriously? Are you looking at the zoomed shots?

I thought perhaps the Blu version looked like it had slightly sharper lines, but on the zoomed shots, I can see it now. I dunno, on a 17" monitor scrolling back and forth I can easily spot the difference. Like I said, I would never be able to see that while actually watching on my TV. I have the HD DVD version and it's fine for me.

[ZebraMajor]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

Exactly where in the image are you seeing "sharper, clearer lines"? I opened the two shots in separate browser windows and have been tabbing between them. The only difference I can see is that the HD DVD is slightly grainier around the thrusters at the bottom of the frame.

I often feel the screenshots should be marked up (with a circled area in red with a text note like "aliasing here!" or something) so we can all reference a particular area.

In this case, look at the zoomed images, upper part of the legs from the top of frame on down to the middle. Look specifically at the border of the legs against the white/gray backgrounds. The HD-DVD image has noticeable aliasing. The Blu-ray image does not (or at least nearly imperceivable).

[HamsterDance]

Originally Posted by ZebraMajor

I often feel the screenshots should be marked up (with a circled area in red with a text note like "aliasing here!" or something) so we can all reference a particular area.

In this case, look at the zoomed images, upper part of the legs from the top of frame on down to the middle. Look specifically at the border of the legs against the white/gray backgrounds. The HD-DVD image has noticeable aliasing. The Blu-ray image does not (or at least nearly imperceivable).

When you're watching at normal speed you are not going to notice this at all.

[ZebraMajor]

Originally Posted by HamsterDance

When you're watching at normal speed you are not going to notice this at all.

Josh asked about the screencaps, not the video in motion. Do you honestly think I didn't know that?