Transformers comparison *PIX*

[Cymbol]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

is this supposed to be news that bitrate is not the godsend of mankind for blu pq quality?
people will eventually figure it out.
sure an insane bitrate can help, but
imo the overall quality of a release is almost wholly dependent on simple intelligent choices made in areas such as ee, dnr, etc, etc.

Hopefully, both sides can shut up on this one and many others. Basically, all the fanboys used to always claim "My HD DVD version looks better" or, "The Blu-Ray version blows it out of the water" - I think HDM has always looked pretty good.

Although, I was one of the few people that were disappointed with the Batman Begins PQ. Which I don't believe has anything to do with HD DVD, but the folks who produced the picture.

[Xylon]

Originally Posted by earthquake

Yo Xylon, I always love seeing the comparisons you put up. Especially when you include the SD with them.

Do you take any requests on movies? Just wondering how you're choosing which ones to compare.

From AVS I get PM requests in advance from members opinions I value. The usual AVS rabble rousers

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by Centauri

Yeah, well you've also got a 100" screen.

For me, the difference is negligible, which is probably why I've been so slow at supporting Blu since HD DVD's demise.

For an example of what I'm looking at, take an HD/BD and SD copy of one of the screenies in this thread and resize both to 1366x768. The huge difference in quality shrinks quite a bit. They're still distinguishable though, obviously. But then imagine looking at both on a 37" TV from 8 feet away.

I also have a 32" LCD that I watch from about 6ft away. The difference between HDM and upconverted DVD is still there. And yes, the 100" screen from 11ft away changes things, but I would own a BD player no matter what size screen I had. I also like the audio upgrade

[chefboy1]

I see noticeable jaggies on Optimus' right arm - full size and no zoom on my monitor.

With the picture at 2X zoom (which I'm guessing is just slightly larger than the field of vision I have with my 65" screen) , many more differences become obvious.

While the HD DVD undoubtedly looks good on it's own, the action sequences seem to benefit from higher bitrates on the BD version.

[Malanthius]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

My wife is no videophile and she can easily notice the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD (most of the time). Same with HD satellite broadcasts vs SD.

People say that going from VHS to DVD was a big jump in PQ and I find Blu-Ray to be a bigger jump from DVD.

I agree there is a bigger jump from DVD to BR than from VHS to DVD. PQ wise. I'm just saying what my wife and actually others I have talked to say. I think it's probably more due to them not truly seeing HDM in all it's glory. I have the B&M stores to blame. There setups are horrible most of the time.

[StarrySkies]

Originally Posted by chefboy1

I see noticeable jaggies on Optimus' right arm - full size and no zoom on my monitor.

With the picture at 2X zoom (which I'm guessing is just slightly larger than the field of vision I have with my 65" screen) , many more differences become obvious.

While the HD DVD undoubtedly looks good on it's own, the action sequences seem to benefit from higher bitrates on the BD version.

Precisely.

[Averry]

Originally Posted by chefboy1

I see noticeable jaggies on Optimus' right arm - full size and no zoom on my monitor.

With the picture at 2X zoom (which I'm guessing is just slightly larger than the field of vision I have with my 65" screen) , many more differences become obvious.

While the HD DVD undoubtedly looks good on it's own, the action sequences seem to benefit from higher bitrates on the BD version.

*Slaps own face*



The only difference I see how any of this looks is that the Blu Ray discs are grayish silver and the HD-DVD discs are white.

The Lossless audio is an upgrade, but other than that, the video is identicle.

[David Forbes]

In the first post, the Blu-ray case is way sharper than the HD DVD case.

[megsemmisítés]

Originally Posted by David Forbes

In the first post, the Blu-ray case is way sharper than the HD DVD case.

Just wait til you see the blue in that case in Deep Color. That case is gonna ROCK!!

[Ellsworth]

Hmm. There are slight differences between the 2 screens [bd/hddvd]

I would have assumed they should be identical. They are not.

I wish it wasn't 'labeled' BD/HD DVD on the screenshot.

What I notice is that in the background, especially in the smoke/explosion above the brown robots shoulder [his left shoulder], there appears to be more 'noise' in the image on the HD DVD version. Its very minor, it sort of prevails throughout the image in several areas, parts of the screen that are out of focus, or that have details etc, appear to have some 'noise'.

It certainly doesn't look bad. If all the extra bit rate gets you is that, its sorta irrelevant. But as I said before. Its more about the ease of production imo.

The picture of the girl, on the other hand, appears to be identical almost, pixel for pixel [i understand that it probably isn't] but the difference there would be almost nothing. That was a low movement scene, and therefore easier to encode. It would be interseting to see a few more images from xylon, of high action scenes, and then have no labels on them, to see if we could tell HD DVD from BD.

[StarrySkies]

Originally Posted by Ellsworth

It would be interseting to see a few more images from xylon, of high action scenes, and then have no labels on them, to see if we could tell HD DVD from BD.

I second the motion.

[james]

The PQ between the two versions looks identical. The audio may be debatable, but not by much.

[Ellsworth]

something is different between the 2 versions. I'm referring to PQ.

Either there is more noise on the HD DVD version [in a bad way] or the BD version has some sort of filter to remove grain.

Even on the unfocused part of the image behind and to the left of the girl, there are differences in the hillside. Minute tiny differences. Perhaps its just the renderer of the player used?

With the high action scenes its much more noticeable. On the close up of the girl, its difficult to see any perceiveable differences.

If xylon still is stoping by this thread, I'd love a few more image caps of fast motion, without labels, to see if there is a noticeable difference.

I think I can tell them apart, but not having seen it running on either format, I don't really feel like I can say which looks better. Just that I can tell the difference in stills.

I'm willing to accept that in motion you can't see the difference.

I have a 60" screen. I'd be tempted to say that even at 60" the differences would be so minor as to be completely not noticeable. [i sit around 10 feet away from the tv] maybe at around 10 feet away from a 100" screen. [assuming 1080p projector]

[Deathpoop]

Originally Posted by megsemmisítés

Just wait til you see the blue in that case in Deep Color. That case is gonna ROCK!!

Prime and Megs faces are near identical on the inserts but I can definitely tell a slight difference in pixelation with the nod going to BDs high bit-rate deep color printed inserts...not to mention the scratch resistant HD coating...

Xylon, can we get some super enlarged action stills of the still inserts please? I want to settle this debate once and for all.

[ocielz]

sorry if im posting in the wrong place, but i don't know if its my tv or something but does anybody else see a lot of noise or grain in some areas, like when the agents are inside sams house and some dark ext. shots? the day shots are nice and clear, is this how the movie is? i have a samsung 1080p and ps3 hooked up.