Warner Sets Record Straight on 'T3' PiP Track

[jed]

Warner has confirmed that its first IME-enhanced Blu-ray title will not use Profile 1.1 technology to deliver its picture-in-picture video commentary.

full story:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1090

[MrE]

I wish they would have done this with 300!!!!!!!!!

[Nick Lavigne]

that's a clever way of doing it till 1.1

[ccphilly1984]

Originally Posted by MrENGLISH

I wish they would have done this with 300!!!!!!!!!

that wouldn't happen... it takes up too much space to have a second encode to do that workaround... no wonder why bd's are bigger... it'll be nice when some efficiency is broughtto the bd camp. I think that using this method will keep a lot of hd exclusive warner tittles from coming to bd, especially the bigger (sizewise) ones like the matrix where you really want the hd audio and extra features. bd has a good track record of being inneficient like using pcm and mpeg 2... they have to change it around soon if they want a lot of love from warner... who exploits both format's advantages and disadvantages. (i.e. new line's hairspray and rush hour region encoding and matrix and batman's hdi)

[MrE]

Originally Posted by ccphilly1984

that wouldn't happen... it takes up too much space to have a second encode to do that workaround... no wonder why bd's are bigger... it'll be nice when some efficiency is broughtto the bd camp.

considering they used the same encodes on the 30GB HD DVD as they did the 50GB BD, there is enough room left over for this to be added in

[Merrick97]

Not only that, they are supposedly using seemless branching to accomplish this, which means that there isnt likely to be a whole new encode.

[goody1701d]

Originally Posted by MrENGLISH

considering they used the same encodes on the 30GB HD DVD as they did the 50GB BD, there is enough room left over for this to be added in

Yes but for every sceen which uses PiP they have to have a second copy of that sceen on the disc, insted of just streaming it on top of the origional sceen.

[MrE]

Originally Posted by goody1701d

Yes but for every scene which uses PiP they have to have a second copy of that scene on the disc, instead of just streaming it on top of the original scene.

T,FTFY

300 PiP on BD would be onscreen from beginning to end so no need to do branching. I doubt it would have taken up 20GBs either.

[DaViD Boulet]

This is a temporay fix and not an ideal solution in that it effectively reduces the bit-space for the feature film to 1/2 of BD's capacity (ie, a 50GB presentation is effectivly only a 25GB presentation), because it doubles the bits requried for the feature 1080p film since both versions are included as distinct video files.

Also, users cannot turn the PIP on/off during disc play as they can with a real PIP window, so the feature is not as "transparent" as WB's comments would lead one to believe.

It's an ok first-step to real PIP java 1.1 functionality. But not a long-term fix. 1.1 can't get here soon enough (slap on the wrist of the BD consortia for not having 1.1 ready and required in hardware at launch).

[rover2002]

LMAO
I think Warner is doing BR a favour, how many current BR players have 1.1 specs?

[MrE]

Originally Posted by rover2002

LMAO
I think Warner is doing BR a favour, how many current BR players have 1.1 specs?

BR?

You mean BD

[ccphilly1984]

Originally Posted by rover2002

LMAO
I think Warner is doing BR a favour, how many current BR players have 1.1 specs?

I'll give warner a credit for trying... now it's time for sony and the bd camp to live up to their part of the bargain... they should talk to microsoft to get hd-i software working on bd.

[dominica]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

This is a temporay fix and not an ideal solution in that it effectively reduces the bit-space for the feature film to 1/2 of BD's capacity (ie, a 50GB presentation is effectivly only a 25GB presentation), because it doubles the bits requried for the feature 1080p film since both versions are included as distinct video files.

Also, users cannot turn the PIP on/off during disc play as they can with a real PIP window, so the feature is not as "transparent" as WB's comments would lead one to believe.

It's an ok first-step to real PIP java 1.1 functionality. But not a long-term fix. 1.1 can't get here soon enough (slap on the wrist of the BD consortia for not having 1.1 ready and required in hardware at launch).

+1, you are right. However, it uses branching, so you do not have a full copy of the PIP part of the movie, just the pip parts, so you are not using double the space or two full encode of the movie, just the Pip part.

[Ice2Dragon]

Anyone wanna bet this Blu ray will cause problems in EVERY blu ray player EXCEPT the PS3 as usual lol.. The new stuff for some reason.. FF2, DAT, never work in anything but the ps3. Damn technology!

All in all, still a worthy purchase, I have the hd-dvd version, but the extras are worth a double dip.

[MrE]

Originally Posted by ccphilly1984

I'll give warner a credit for trying... now it's time for sony and the bd camp to live up to their part of the bargain... they should talk to microsoft to get hd-i software working on bd.

I agree with you one this one. BD-J can appear glitchy at times and if its really that hard to code for, it could cause Blu to lose in the long run