02-17-2013 11:14 AM #151
I guess we can agree to disagree on Skyfall, it comes down to one opinion versus another and I totally agree that the movie has it's share of plot holes and issues. But seriously, we are talking about a Bond movie. If you want to put on your "realism" cap you can pick apart every single Bond movie ever made (including Casino Royale and QoS). They are all over the top spy movies full of issues. If you wanted a real spy movie, I recommend skipping the Bond movies as that is not what they are supposed to be.
I liked QoS, but the fact of the matter is many people did not. The movie was a letdown for many people and it actually made less money than Casino Royale (not even accounting for inflation). Many people complained about the lack of a true villain and a weak plot. For me, QoS was not on the same level as Casino Royale and while I enjoyed it, I do see some sides of the argument.
I believe with Skyfall they wanted to go back more to the traditional roots of the franchise and I guess some people would rather not. Based on the success of Skyfall I suspect the next movie will have a similar formula. I have no problem with that.
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02-17-2013 12:16 PM #152
Some of you people must not be watching the same Skyfall I saw twice in theaters and once thus far on BD. The one I saw was incredible, excellently paced, full of character development, nods to the previous movies in its 50 year history, a serious plot with some funny one liners (even Casino Royale and Quantum had funny bits, so saying you hate Skyfall for it is stupid), and an excellent score. Not to mention the cinematography. The battle with the sniper in Shanghai and the burning house are just gorgeous set pieces.
If you don't like it, fine, but some of the reasons some of you claim as your reasons for not liking it are for such minuet nitpicks that your reasons do not make sense. I don't see how you can claim QoS was a great movie and hate Skyfall, when Skyfall did not just throw every action scene imaginable into your face in the first half hour. I love Quantum, but that movie is ranked #11 whereas Skyfall is #4."...somewhere out there, michael bay now has the basis for his next film...and it's all your fault." - project-blu
02-17-2013 12:22 PM #153
My favorite thing about all this is people thinking M doesn't have any sort of weapons training. Like, at all. It amuses me to think that people only deem women as weak and incapable. I found absolutely nothing wrong with M making makeshift bombs. I saw a woman with experience at the end of her rope trying to defend herself.
But, I think people are just upset because Bond loses in this one.
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02-17-2013 01:53 PM #155
And, are we really going to resort to DOLLARS now in the argument of what makes a better movie? --Realizing of course that the #1 moneymaker of all time is the derivative & dreadful Avatar?
Heck, if THAT argument is going to hold any kind of weight, then I'll call you out right now for being FACTUALLY wrong (as well as subjectively, IMHO) about The Avengers when a page ago you said the #2 grossing movie of all time was worse than Skyfall.
So, while YOU might think otherwise, Skyfall clearly depicts her as a damsel in distress who (although head of MI6 for years) can't even fire off a handgun without help from a superior man.
Heck, in Skyfall, M is practically one step away from knocking a cell key off a stool like a doofus (as in The World Is Not Enough).A great day to be BLU...
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02-17-2013 02:16 PM #156
I think point blank range is a bit of an exaggeration, there was fair enough distance and it was dark. But she's old, and well, technically Judi Dench has poor vision/losing her eyesight (hence her retirement), it's ok if she misses. Albert Finney had a couple kills, but those truly were unmissable shots, since he had a shotgun and killed them from behind from closer distance. Later on, he misses, much like Judi Dench did.
I thought the primary goal for going to Skyfall was simply to bait Silva and stop him before he leaks any additional details about agents, not necessarily protecting M. By going there, they prevent any further casualties aside from M and potentially himself. In the end, he loses M, but as M would have wanted more importantly, they maintained the safety of MI6 agents across the globe.Don't Reach, Young Blood
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02-17-2013 03:52 PM #157
Bond knew that and wanted to lure him in, and yes, ultimately delay or prevent more agents from being killed. Again, remembering this is a Bond movie, I don't really have a problem with this storyline. I don't have a problem with Moneypenny (I rather liked her in the movie). I have no problem with a computer expert being played by a 32 year old actor. People are reaching...
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02-18-2013 12:03 AM #164
Reading through these Skyfall threads is hilarious. Half the haters complain: "This movie isn't enough like the old James Bond movies I love. It's too dark and gritty and serious, and I just hate hate hate hate hate it." The other half complain: "This movie is too much like those old silly James Bond movies I hate. It's not dark or gritty or serious enough, and I just hate hate hate hate hate it."
02-18-2013 12:33 AM #165
Just watched this tonight. Wasn't terrible. Certainly wasn't memorable nor was it the best Bond. Seemed rather disjointed. Almost lifeless and without personality. I was all pumped for a great ride...instead, it was just kind of bland. Like a B-version of Bourne.Intel i5 2500k (@4.7Ghz) + XFX Radeon 7970 3GB RAM! + 16GB DDR3 RAM (STEAM/Origin: Nealon_Greene)
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