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    Luke is this a joke, about Marvel? Because if what I've heard is true Marvel is part of the reason "Spiderman 3" was so horrible, because Marvel put pressure on Raimi to include Venom. It ended up to no one's benefit. Raimi wanted Sandman as the primary villain and you can see it as he's arguably the most interesting character in the film.
    Now lets look at "The Incredible Hulk" and how Marvel pissed Norton off so much he refused to be in "The Avengers". They were so afraid of thinking it would be Ang Lee's "The Hulk" they flew off the handle and removed a major character, all but making him a cut out.
    Given these factors, until Marvel gets their act together I really don't want to see them gain their properties back. Sam Raimi had proved his talent in "Spiderman" and "Spiderman 2" but they couldn't leave well enough alone and had to micromanage. Look at the Venom we did get, most were disappointed. Topher Grace would make a better Carnage then Venom any day of the week.
    As for this Ghost Rider movie no offense but while I did enjoy "Crank" it's total garbage. It's a complete fast food movie with no redeemable qualities. It's so frenetic and very slightly in a nice, tightly shot way. Instead we're almost reminded of when Homer Simpson decides to put in all those meats or processed foods into the meat compressor, where he ends up calling a hospital. This movie could only be more discombobulated if he adapted the herky-jerky style of camera techniques evident in "Brotherhood Of the Wolf".
    I guess I should say "Crank" is the equivalent of "Owww!!! My Balls", "1000 Ways To Die" or "Tosh.0" with all these types of clips created and spliced together.
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    Edward Norton didn't refuse to be in the Avengers. He wanted to do it but Marvel chose not to hire him for it.

    Also, everything else you said. Man, Sarang.
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    There is only one thing to say : what a stinker !!!

    Part 1 was still somehow entertaining, this one made me fall asleep. NC seems to have reduced his acting down to looking a little (to a lot) disturbed and/or annoyed.
    Certainly in my top 5 list of the worst movies of the year !
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    Spider-Man 3 proved scripts and writers matter.

    Part 2 was cowritten by a Pulitzer Prize winner.

    Part 3 was written by Sam Raimi and his brother Ivan, the same team the gave us 'The Nutt House.'

    Venom could have made for an awesome movie villain, but by Spider-Man 3 Raimi had made the studio so much money that they gave him a little more leeway and he turned it into a true Sam Raimi movie instead of a Spider-Man movie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarang View Post
    Luke is this a joke, about Marvel? Because if what I've heard is true Marvel is part of the reason "Spiderman 3" was so horrible, because Marvel put pressure on Raimi to include Venom. It ended up to no one's benefit. Raimi wanted Sandman as the primary villain and you can see it as he's arguably the most interesting character in the film.
    Now lets look at "The Incredible Hulk" and how Marvel pissed Norton off so much he refused to be in "The Avengers". They were so afraid of thinking it would be Ang Lee's "The Hulk" they flew off the handle and removed a major character, all but making him a cut out.
    Given these factors, until Marvel gets their act together I really don't want to see them gain their properties back. Sam Raimi had proved his talent in "Spiderman" and "Spiderman 2" but they couldn't leave well enough alone and had to micromanage. Look at the Venom we did get, most were disappointed. Topher Grace would make a better Carnage then Venom any day of the week.
    As for this Ghost Rider movie no offense but while I did enjoy "Crank" it's total garbage. It's a complete fast food movie with no redeemable qualities. It's so frenetic and very slightly in a nice, tightly shot way. Instead we're almost reminded of when Homer Simpson decides to put in all those meats or processed foods into the meat compressor, where he ends up calling a hospital. This movie could only be more discombobulated if he adapted the herky-jerky style of camera techniques evident in "Brotherhood Of the Wolf".
    I guess I should say "Crank" is the equivalent of "Owww!!! My Balls", "1000 Ways To Die" or "Tosh.0" with all these types of clips created and spliced together.
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    In Raimi's defense he always did say he didn't find the character Venom interesting and never wanted to include him in the movies (both before and after Spiderman 3). I think this is why it just feels shoehorned in...the movie wasn't that bad until Venom actually came into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarang View Post
    Luke is this a joke, about Marvel? Because if what I've heard is true Marvel is part of the reason "Spiderman 3" was so horrible, because Marvel put pressure on Raimi to include Venom. It ended up to no one's benefit. Raimi wanted Sandman as the primary villain and you can see it as he's arguably the most interesting character in the film.
    Now lets look at "The Incredible Hulk" and how Marvel pissed Norton off so much he refused to be in "The Avengers". They were so afraid of thinking it would be Ang Lee's "The Hulk" they flew off the handle and removed a major character, all but making him a cut out.
    Given these factors, until Marvel gets their act together I really don't want to see them gain their properties back. Sam Raimi had proved his talent in "Spiderman" and "Spiderman 2" but they couldn't leave well enough alone and had to micromanage. Look at the Venom we did get, most were disappointed. Topher Grace would make a better Carnage then Venom any day of the week.
    As for this Ghost Rider movie no offense but while I did enjoy "Crank" it's total garbage. It's a complete fast food movie with no redeemable qualities. It's so frenetic and very slightly in a nice, tightly shot way. Instead we're almost reminded of when Homer Simpson decides to put in all those meats or processed foods into the meat compressor, where he ends up calling a hospital. This movie could only be more discombobulated if he adapted the herky-jerky style of camera techniques evident in "Brotherhood Of the Wolf".
    I guess I should say "Crank" is the equivalent of "Owww!!! My Balls", "1000 Ways To Die" or "Tosh.0" with all these types of clips created and spliced together.
    I hate to say it - but you're way off base. Sam Raimi went nuts with Spiderman 3 due to the fact that Avi Arad in particular wanted Venom in the movie. If Avi wouldn't have interfered - then we would have gotten something completely on par with Spiderman or Spiderman 2. Remember - every movie that ever truly sucked from Marvel has had Avi Arad as the main producer with his say so. Just do a count - Elektra, Daredevil, both FF movies, both Ghost Rider movies, both Punisher movies, the Hulk, and the Incredible Hulk-just to name a few that Avi Arad had his dirty fingers in.

    Now the movies that have done well - don't have him interferring at all - but they do have Kevin Feige - let's see - both Iron Man movies have done extremely well, Thor, Captain America and of course the Avengers. Kevin Feige has a better feel for the Marvel properties then Avi Arad does any time.

    And Avi rages about a movie and one point then totally discredits it later. Just watch the special features on the Hulk then the Incredible Hulk. Really - the guy is a joke.

    Just let Kevin Feige handle all the Marvel properties and get rid of Avi Arad - and I guarantee that you'll have better quality.
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    I was very surprised at how much I ended up enjoying this flick. Cage was doing some of his best bad acting. Stringer Bell was a bad ass as always.
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    I didn't find it THAT bad.. still.. not a good movie.. but like you said.. the blu ray quality is amazing.. and like some other people already said.. an R rating would have done this movie a world of good.. or at least an unrated blu ray
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    Unfortunately another disc, where the right point of black has been missed. You have a calibrated display and still have to "correct" the brightnesssetting for the fails of some guys in the industry, that are to lazy to get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdude1 View Post
    I hate to say it - but you're way off base. Sam Raimi went nuts with Spiderman 3 due to the fact that Avi Arad in particular wanted Venom in the movie. If Avi wouldn't have interfered - then we would have gotten something completely on par with Spiderman or Spiderman 2. Remember - every movie that ever truly sucked from Marvel has had Avi Arad as the main producer with his say so. Just do a count - Elektra, Daredevil, both FF movies, both Ghost Rider movies, both Punisher movies, the Hulk, and the Incredible Hulk-just to name a few that Avi Arad had his dirty fingers in.

    Now the movies that have done well - don't have him interferring at all - but they do have Kevin Feige - let's see - both Iron Man movies have done extremely well, Thor, Captain America and of course the Avengers. Kevin Feige has a better feel for the Marvel properties then Avi Arad does any time.

    And Avi rages about a movie and one point then totally discredits it later. Just watch the special features on the Hulk then the Incredible Hulk. Really - the guy is a joke.

    Just let Kevin Feige handle all the Marvel properties and get rid of Avi Arad - and I guarantee that you'll have better quality.
    You do realize if not for Avi Arad we wouldn't even have these string of Marvel movies. Not every Marvel related movie has been great (or good for that matter) but Avi Arad has been the driving force for getting Marvel properties to the big screen.

    If not for Arad, Disney would have never even considered buying Marvel.
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