'Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season 1' Coming July 24

[ragebot]

That doesn't change the fact that it's a catalog TV season and it has to compete with other catalog TV seasons on the shelf. CBS can explain their pricing however they want to and the explanation could be entirely valid, but there's a precedent set for this kind of product in the market and that's still the bottom line.

I think the issue here is that people haven't lost perspective on TV boxsets. Their perspective comes from years and years of releases with price-points that make the Star Trek sets appear very expensive.

There is *no* precedent for these TNG sets. Even the TOS and Twilight Zone sets were HD transfers of finished film product, not brand new online edits.

[Doctorossi]

There is *no* precedent for these TNG sets. Even the TOS and Twilight Zone sets were HD transfers of finished film product, not brand new online edits.

So what? Tell it to the guy looking at the shelf of TV boxsets who

1. Doesn't know what was required to bring this particular show to Blu-ray

and

2. Doesn't care what was required to bring this particular show to Blu-ray

Again, you've got to compete with the going price or your sales are going to suffer.

The Blair Witch Project cost less than half-a-million dollars to produce. John Carter cost $200 million to produce. Does the guy looking at the store shelf care? No. That's why they both cost ~$20 on Blu-ray.

[ragebot]

So what?

The fanboys are already hypothesizing the idea of DS9 and Voyager being remastered. Understanding the economic situation is absolutely vital for their dreams to be a reality.

You compared movie budgets in your post, but those had to be countered by box office receipts. The only way for the TNG remaster to have most of their return on investment (aside from a syndication deal, which would probably only be when all seven season are done) is through these purchases.

[Doctorossi]

The fanboys are already hypothesizing the idea of DS9 and Voyager being remastered. Understanding the economic situation is absolutely vital for their dreams to be a reality.

The fanboys know what's up and aren't really an issue. The non-fans don't know what's up and won't become educated without an expensive campaign (that would defeat it's own purpose). "Educating" the readers of this board would surely not get us closer to that goal than would Paramount setting the kind of reasonable price-point that would prompt a lot more potential customers to jump in.

You compared movie budgets in your post, but those had to be countered by box office receipts.

And TV shows had to be countered by broadcast advertising receipts. Six of one...

[Krawk]

There is *no* precedent for these TNG sets. Even the TOS and Twilight Zone sets were HD transfers of finished film product, not brand new online edits.

TOS were remastered but they redid all the effects. Not an apples-to-apples comparison...sorry

[Bane]

So what? Tell it to the guy looking at the shelf of TV boxsets who

1. Doesn't know what was required to bring this particular show to Blu-ray

and

2. Doesn't care what was required to bring this particular show to Blu-ray

I don't think those people are the target for this release, though. You're right, the average person is going to balk at an expensive price but these sets are being made for Trek fans, who Paramount knows have been following the situation and will likely understand the pricing, or just not care about the price and buy it no matter what.

[fitprod]

TOS were remastered but they redid all the effects. Not an apples-to-apples comparison...sorry

Eh, yeah, that was his point.

Even with the additional effects work on TOS, it was nothing compared to the amount of work that has gone into TNG. - TOS was edited on film, TNG and the subsequent series, excluding Enterprise, were not. All of the film elements had to be rescanned and edited. That costs tens of thousands and episode... (remember your dealing with union work on editing, at the least)

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[Doctorossi]

You're right, the average person is going to balk at an expensive price but these sets are being made for Trek fans, who Paramount knows have been following the situation and will likely understand the pricing, or just not care about the price and buy it no matter what.

I'm sure there are thousands of casual fans out there who are not at all "following the situation" and have little to no knowledge of nor interest in TV production/post-production issues, but will see TNG Blu-ray sets on the shelf or on Amazon and take a look.

[Vidfreek]

When seasons like Supernatural, Bones or anything else that carry 22-25 Episodes, they are usually priced in the $40-$60 range TOPS. Star Trek was priced a lot of the times twice that or more, so the argument about their being 22 hours of content doesnt validate that price point at all, now I guess I can see it costing a bit more because of all the remastering being done, but these shouldnt go above $70 or so even with that, its a catalog TV show plain and simple, you can buy the whole SERIES of Farscape on Bluray for probably what one season of this will cost

[MrAngles]

Let's be honest, the price isn't going to be high due to the remaster. If Fox did this same process for the X-Files they wouldn't be setting the MSRP higher than for the rest of their shows. These sets will be priced high because it's Star Trek, plain and simple.

[paaron46]

Let's be honest, the price isn't going to be high due to the remaster. If Fox did this same process for the X-Files they wouldn't be setting the MSRP higher than for the rest of their shows. These sets will be priced high because it's Star Trek, plain and simple.

How dare you make me think about how much I want 'X-Files' on Blu-ray.

[Josh Z]

Let's be honest, the price isn't going to be high due to the remaster. If Fox did this same process for the X-Files they wouldn't be setting the MSRP higher than for the rest of their shows. These sets will be priced high because it's Star Trek, plain and simple.

I guess you didn't buy The X-Files on DVD at $125 a season when they first came out.

[Vidfreek]

I guess you didn't buy The X-Files on DVD at $125 a season when they first came out.

I'm guessing not a lot of real fans bought them for that price either, I've only started getting them on DVD and thats because FOX now has them at $15 a season or so, totally worth it at that price point, $125 never! Same goes for Star Trek on Bluray, I'll just wait a while till Paramount figures out that no one is going to buy them for that much money, except for the people where money isnt an issue to blow on stuff like this....

[MrAngles]

I guess you didn't buy The X-Files on DVD at $125 a season when they first came out.

Actually I did pay about $100 per season for the first five seasons, and it was worth every penny!

But again, that price wasn't based on the expenses put into it, it was based on what they thought the fair market value of the product was. When compared to the price of a film, I think $100 is an entirely fair price for a five to six disc set, each containing more content than a normal movie disc, and that's what I based my decisions on back then. That was back when releasing full seasons of shows was a new thing. Once every studio started releasing every season of every show 6 months to a year after they aired, the prices got standardized much lower, and no one compares the price of a tv season to the price of 12 films anymore, they compare it to the price of other season sets.

Were there even full season box sets available before the X-Files?

[fitprod]

I'm guessing not a lot of real fans bought them for that price either, I've only started getting them on DVD and thats because FOX now has them at $15 a season or so, totally worth it at that price point, $125 never!

Well... Your guess would be wrong. The sets were some of the most popular ever released on DVD. Fox made a killing on them.

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