01-24-2012 01:28 PM #121
Slightly off topic, does anyone know the name of the episode where Picard goes to his brother's vineyard? I know it's after his assimilation because he breaks down talking about it. Loved that one and would like to find it on netflix.
Youtube video with more comparisons. The space shots look fantastic now but apparently some of them were so bad looking that they just outright replaced them with full CG.
01-24-2012 01:32 PM #122
01-24-2012 01:35 PM #123
01-24-2012 01:38 PM #124
Pics look very nice.
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01-24-2012 01:58 PM #125
01-24-2012 02:07 PM #126
Unlike "TNG", which used practical models throughout its entire run, those two later Star Trek series transitioned to CGI (rendered in SD) towards the end of the 90s, and would require not just re-editing from the original film elements, but also all new effects in most scenes. It'd be, very likely, an undertaking more massive than "TOS: Remastered" (which was, relatively speaking, easy) and "TNG: Next Level" combined.
"TOS" is a beloved, classic series that's always done well on video and in TV syndication. It also only had three seasons, a total of 79 episodes, to redo. It was mastered on film; there was no need for re-editing from the original elements, just new scans, and although the CG "enhancements" were done, they didn't necessarily need to be. It was more for consistency's sake and the added wow-factor to make the show appealing in the era of HDTV. But the original effects were scanned into HD on blu-ray too. They look like crap, but whatever; it was really as simple as scanning the material in to make it HD-ready. And the cost was easily recouped with syndication and DVD and blu-ray sales.
Comparatively speaking "TNG: Next Level" is a huge project--the Titanic, to a simple luxury yacht. It requires not just the scanning in the film elements, but also a re-editing of the series from scratch to create a new source from which they can remaster the series. But, because the show used models and other photographic effects, except in certain circumstances, it doesn't look like they're messing with the effects as heavy-handedly as they did with "TOS". But, "TNG" also has an astronomical 178 episodes over 7 seasons that need to be redone. The work is being done because "TNG" is special. It has serious syndication value, and is perhaps even more admired than the original series by the layman. This means money making deals for TV (both cable and broadcast syndication) and online steaming. And don't forget, "TNG" also has the same diehard superfanbase as "TOS", if not more so, and those fans are willing to shell out money for an expensive boxset. "TNG: Next Level" will take time and cost bucketloads, but CBS will get their money back.
"Voyager" and "DS9" need just as much work as "TNG"--in fact more because of the low-res CG effects that MUST be redone (it isn't a choice like "TOS", or a select necessity like "TNG")--but neither series is as popular. Not to say it won't happen--I honestly never thought we'd reach a point where TNG-HD would be possible, and I was wrong--but I doubt that the additional work needed to make "Voyager" and "DS9" HD-ready will happen. It's simply a money issue. I honestly don't think there's enough interest to make either project profitable.
Curiously, of all the shows "Enterprise" requires the least amount of work. The entire series could've been out on blu-ray ages ago. Although, like "Firefly", they'd be upconverted shots all over the place in the earlier seasons.
"Star Trek: The Animated Series" is also HD-ready. It was remastered in 1080p (and looks great; check out the "TOS: Season Two" blu-ray supplements for the episode "More Tribbles, More Troubles") and could easily be on blu-ray. I really don't know why it isn't.Steve Zissou: Anne-Marie, do all the interns get Glocks?
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01-24-2012 02:10 PM #127
01-24-2012 02:39 PM #128
Also, there was that episode "The Pegasus" where Riker's old captain directed a mission to find the ship that was testing experimental cloaking technology that allowed the ship to somehow phase out of existence, so it could fly through solid matter. There was that great scene where they beamed inside an asteroid and the ship was half-in-half-out of the center of the asteroid. I don't have the Technical Manual so maybe it mentions something about it, but I would imagine such a disastrous round of testing on their own cloaking tech could have put the federation off developing any cloaking tech in the future.
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01-24-2012 08:44 PM #129
01-26-2012 05:50 AM #130
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Super VHS: many thanks for taking the time to post that, very interesting. Very strange if the animated series is good to go they haven't released it. You'd think it would be a good thing to do the same day as TNG, piggy back the interest in one boxset offering another as well.
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DS9 was so good and probably the best Star Trek ever made. I hope it receives the Next Generation treatment.: Big H
01-26-2012 09:45 AM #133
01-26-2012 09:57 AM #134
01-26-2012 12:59 PM #135
Ideally, the show needs a full-blown reconstruction like TNG is getting. They'd have to go back to the original animation cels, clean them off layer by layer, and recomposite them all. This is very unlikely to happen for TAS, if those elements even still exist. The next best option would be to do a frame-by-frame digital dirt and scratch removal. Given the simplicity of the artwork and animation in the show, this is reasonably feasible to accomplish. However, the sheer volume of dirt on every single frame of the show would (will?) make this a very slow and difficult process.
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