Antichrist Blu-ray (Fr)

[kannisto]

I put a spoiler tag on your post above just in case. I'm aware the movie is pretty graphic but wasn't aware of specific details. Anyway, I think France is the most likely central European country to pass it uncut. I can comment if those specifics appear to be intact after I have watched it and I have to receive it first as well

For me the director is the main draw for this film as I really like a lot of his work.

[MrCoops]

Mine finally arrived (Postal strikes were cancelled).

It's region free BUT it's states on the back that it is 1080i MPEG4 AVC. Also the run time says 120 mins, which isn't the case (it's 103 mins). I'm not able to confirm the resolution 100% at this moment. That being said, I am very impressed with the PQ.

It is UNCUT however. I've seen the film twice before and everything is as I remember it. Best not go into the details!

[vanderw]

Originally Posted by MrCoops

It's region free BUT it's states on the back that it is 1080i MPEG4 AVC. !

Can someone please verify if this is the case when they get the chance? I jumped the gun and went ahead and ordered it from amazon.fr (it shipped today). I'd like to know if I'm getting a disc I won't be able to play.

Thanks!

[MrCoops]

Originally Posted by MrCoops

Mine finally arrived (Postal strikes were cancelled).

It's region free BUT it's states on the back that it is 1080i MPEG4 AVC. Also the run time says 120 mins, which isn't the case (it's 103 mins). I'm not able to confirm the resolution 100% at this moment. That being said, I am very impressed with the PQ.

It is UNCUT however. I've seen the film twice before and everything is as I remember it. Best not go into the details!

By the way, looks as if the trailers at the start are in PAL format. I didn't notice this on my tv, but when viewed through the projector there was a noticeable drop in resolution comparable to a standard dvd. Unfortunately I don't have a Blu Ray drive to run the necessary checks.

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by vanderw

Can someone please verify if this is the case when they get the chance? I jumped the gun and went ahead and ordered it from amazon.fr (it shipped today). I'd like to know if I'm getting a disc I won't be able to play.

Thanks!

I'll verify the streams when I get mine, but unfortunately my package still hasn't arrived. Hopefully on Monday...

[vanderw]

Originally Posted by kannisto

I'll verify the streams when I get mine, but unfortunately my package still hasn't arrived. Hopefully on Monday...

According to posts on blu-ray.com, the entire disc is 1080i...... grrrr

Looks like I'll be sending this back to Amazon.fr. Unless, someone here might like to purchase it......

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by vanderw

According to posts on blu-ray.com, the entire disc is 1080i...... grrrr

Looks like I'll be sending this back to Amazon.fr. Unless, someone here might like to purchase it......

Yeah, seems it's been confirmed to be 1080i50 then. Mine still hasn't arrived, much slower than usual deliveries from Amazon France...

I wonder why M6 Video released it that way, I don't know of any earlier release from them that would have been 1080i50.

You might also consider buying a player that can convert 1080i50 to 60hz, my LG BD370 is apparently doing that and it sure helps with many European imports and the PAL extras. It's a quite cheap player too.

[vanderw]

Originally Posted by kannisto

You might also consider buying a player that can convert 1080i50 to 60hz, my LG BD370 is apparently doing that and it sure helps with many European imports and the PAL extras. It's a quite cheap player too.

Not a bad idea, thanks. I've been looking for one that handles the 50hz discs. I guess it's too much to hope/ask for to expect it to play Region B locked discs as well.....

[jurples]

how about the subtitles? can you confirm that they are optional?

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by vanderw

Not a bad idea, thanks. I've been looking for one that handles the 50hz discs. I guess it's too much to hope/ask for to expect it to play Region B locked discs as well.....

I settled for one that's not region free for now, I keep doing region free backups when I need to though it takes some time and I have to buy blank discs for it. Luckily those are cheap enough here. Indeed a region free player that converts 50hz to 60hz would be ideal, but as long as I can't find one locally I'll stick to this solution.

[MrCoops]

Originally Posted by jurples

how about the subtitles? can you confirm that they are optional?

Yes, subs are optional.

[kannisto]

Finally got my package from France, including Antichrist and OSS 117: Rio ne répond plus.

Antichrist has the following streams on the way to the movie:

- The Reader trailer (1080i50)
- The Chaser trailer (576i, i.e. SD PAL)
- Milk trailer (1080i50)
- M6 Video intro (1080i50)
- Copyright warning screen (1080i50)
- Movie (1080i50)

I'll do a BD Info scan next, will post here when it's ready.

As the movie's runtime according to IMDB is 104 minutes and on this disc it is 1:44:05, there doesn't seem to be any 24 fps => 25 fps speedup here. That would make the movie more than 4 minutes shorter. According to IMDB, the movie was shot with very high end digital HD cameras: Phantom HD Camera (extreme slow mo shots) and Red One Camera, so maybe they did a 25 fps transfer from the original digital source data without any speedup somehow.

My main concern with the 1080i50 presentation was that the movie might be running at PAL 4% "overspeed" in this version but that might not be the case then.

BD Info scan:

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
(FR) Antichrist                                                 AVC     1:44:05 23,542,259,712  44,277,476,086  30.16   23.56   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2123Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DTS 2.0 768Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     ANTICHRIST
Disc Size:      44,277,476,086 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Size:                   23,542,259,712 bytes
Length:                 1:44:05 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          30.16 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        23564 kbps          1080i / 25 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2123 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2123 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          1751 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1751 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.116 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           French          12.861 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          51.826 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:44:05.000     23,542,259,712  30,158          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:05:43.800     22,881 kbps     40,220 kbps     00:00:18.360    26,941 kbps     00:00:23.679    26,326 kbps     00:00:39.960    114,394 bytes   504,401 bytes   00:00:19.360    
2               0:05:43.800     0:14:46.960     23,585 kbps     34,404 kbps     00:11:44.960    28,181 kbps     00:05:51.240    26,459 kbps     00:05:51.240    117,924 bytes   526,466 bytes   00:05:50.440    
3               0:20:30.760     0:05:51.240     23,692 kbps     35,205 kbps     00:22:29.680    26,331 kbps     00:22:29.560    25,485 kbps     00:21:34.680    118,462 bytes   463,661 bytes   00:26:21.440    
4               0:26:22.000     0:09:34.479     23,146 kbps     36,194 kbps     00:26:30.760    29,697 kbps     00:26:26.880    28,373 kbps     00:26:22.000    115,732 bytes   466,746 bytes   00:31:36.320    
5               0:35:56.479     0:06:01.240     24,356 kbps     41,064 kbps     00:35:58.920    28,800 kbps     00:36:07.160    27,458 kbps     00:36:07.160    121,779 bytes   495,568 bytes   00:35:59.920    
6               0:41:57.720     0:10:27.279     24,363 kbps     38,126 kbps     00:42:27.800    29,653 kbps     00:42:25.120    27,737 kbps     00:43:25.880    121,813 bytes   478,367 bytes   00:47:53.399    
7               0:52:25.000     0:05:41.000     24,168 kbps     30,712 kbps     00:57:08.359    28,767 kbps     00:57:06.680    27,395 kbps     00:57:03.160    120,839 bytes   441,912 bytes   00:53:35.040    
8               0:58:06.000     0:09:45.520     23,605 kbps     35,959 kbps     00:58:06.000    29,006 kbps     00:58:14.520    28,213 kbps     00:58:14.600    118,025 bytes   506,493 bytes   00:58:08.040    
9               1:07:51.520     0:09:16.040     24,047 kbps     31,070 kbps     01:13:31.680    26,214 kbps     01:12:59.920    25,352 kbps     01:16:37.520    120,235 bytes   338,762 bytes   01:17:07.560    
10              1:17:07.560     0:13:09.559     23,611 kbps     42,354 kbps     01:22:57.000    27,468 kbps     01:27:22.080    25,738 kbps     01:22:39.320    118,057 bytes   497,524 bytes   01:23:00.560    
11              1:30:17.120     0:05:27.280     23,495 kbps     34,798 kbps     01:31:17.560    26,018 kbps     01:33:42.120    24,789 kbps     01:31:52.920    117,476 bytes   426,798 bytes   01:35:17.360    
12              1:35:44.400     0:08:20.599     21,782 kbps     40,087 kbps     01:35:44.480    27,670 kbps     01:36:27.400    27,211 kbps     01:36:22.240    108,918 bytes   529,440 bytes   01:35:44.960    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00001.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6244.880                23,564                  18,394,306,085  100,138,434     
00001.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            6244.880                1,751                   1,366,651,972   8,427,336       
00001.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           6244.880                2,123                   1,657,158,888   10,038,489      
00001.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           6244.880                768                     599,520,256     3,512,814       
00001.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6244.880                0                       90,799          514             
00001.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6244.880                13                      10,039,477      58,189          
00001.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6244.880                52                      40,456,327      230,932

[vanderw]

Originally Posted by kannisto

Finally got my package from France, including Antichrist and OSS 117: Rio ne répond plus.

I ordered OSS 117: Rio ne répond plus as well, haha. How are the specs on that one? I know the first OSS 117 looked good....

Thanks!

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by vanderw

I ordered OSS 117: Rio ne répond plus as well, haha. How are the specs on that one? I know the first OSS 117 looked good....

Thanks!

For OSS 117, the main feature has 1080p / 23.976 fps AVC video in 2.35:1, and French DTS HD MA 5.1 (24-bit) audio + optional English and French HoH subs. There's also some secondary video PiP 480p AVC video stream. The disc seems to include some new type of iphone connectivity features, including "Remote SubTitle" which seems to allow some kind of subtitle positioning and placement control through iPhone. I don't have one of those so I couldn't really try those features out. The subs work in the usual way too.

As far as I could tell on my PC with quick checking, all the streams on the way to the menu and including the menu are in 1080p / 23.976 fps, and the disc is region free. There are many SD PAL and 1080i50 streams for the extras though. It was a bit harder to check than usual since Nero ShowTime that came with Nero 8 didn't play the disc through the BD Java loading screen, and I usually use that one to check the stream types for all the intros etc. as it's an easy way.

I already watched this movie and enjoyed it but I liked the first one better. This one had a lot of wordplay jokes that probably didn't translate too well into English. Still, it was very entertaining. PQ was decent, a bit stylized look. AQ was excellent.

[vanderw]

Originally Posted by kannisto

For OSS 117, the main feature has 1080p / 23.976 fps AVC video in 2.35:1, and French DTS HD MA 5.1 (24-bit) audio + optional English and French HoH subs. There's also some secondary video PiP 480p AVC video stream. The disc seems to include some new type of iphone connectivity features, including "Remote SubTitle" which seems to allow some kind of subtitle positioning and placement control through iPhone. I don't have one of those so I couldn't really try those features out. The subs work in the usual way too.

As far as I could tell on my PC with quick checking, all the streams on the way to the menu and including the menu are in 1080p / 23.976 fps, and the disc is region free. There are many SD PAL and 1080i50 streams for the extras though. It was a bit harder to check than usual since Nero ShowTime that came with Nero 8 didn't play the disc through the BD Java loading screen, and I usually use that one to check the stream types for all the intros etc. as it's an easy way.

I already watched this movie and enjoyed it but I liked the first one better. This one had a lot of wordplay jokes that probably didn't translate too well into English. Still, it was very entertaining. PQ was decent, a bit stylized look. AQ was excellent.

Thanks much!