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#16
09-25-2009, 02:10 PM
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Got the RAN disc today (Dutch). It plays in region A and B but not C (confirmed).
The book cover is higher and slightly wider than a normal BD case (pics):   
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#17
09-25-2009, 02:53 PM
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How does Ran look? As I recall, Studio Canal's French HD DVD was panned for its picture quality.
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#18
09-25-2009, 04:32 PM
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PQ is not very good, there are problems like EE and DNR.
     
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#19
09-25-2009, 04:56 PM
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Shit...time to cancel Ran from my Amazon US order and hold on to my US Criterion DVD. I was hoping it would be a different master than the French HD-DVD
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#20
09-25-2009, 07:05 PM
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I'm getting "Ran" regardless.
I mean Criterion has lost the rights, so this is probably it for a while. At least it has English subs. confused about the pic above-- is that a "Ran" bd from Japan or something? I think it came out there correct? how does it compare? It would seem logical imo to assume that the titles that was previously on HD DVD--"Elephant Man" and "Ran" would be the same. Just can't see them taking the time to try and improve things, but maybe.
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#21
09-25-2009, 10:01 PM
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Now, we just need to find out if Elephant Man has the same pitch problem as the HD-DVD. Then I'll know whether or not to keep that one in my order too.
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#22
09-26-2009, 02:58 AM
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http://forums.highdefdigest.com/1548067-post7.html BDInfo scan RAN (Studio Canal). Code:
Total Video Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track ----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ --------------------- 00317.MPLS VC-1 2:42:16 35*051*857*920 45*878*972*882 28,80 16,87 DTS-HD Master 5.1 1850Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) Code:
DISC INFO: Disc Title: RAN Disc Size: 45*878*972*882 bytes Protection: AACS BD-Java: Yes BDInfo: 0.5.2 PLAYLIST REPORT: Name: 00317.MPLS Size: 35*051*857*920 bytes Length: 2:42:16 (h:m:s) Total Bitrate: 28,80 Mbps Description: VIDEO: Codec Bitrate Description ----- ------- ----------- VC-1 Video 16869 kbps 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3 AUDIO: Codec Language Bitrate Description ----- -------- ------- ----------- DTS-HD Master Audio French 1850 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1850 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio Japanese 1813 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1813 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio English 943 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 943 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio German 929 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 929 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio Italian 1696 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1696 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio Japanese 932 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 932 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit) DTS-HD Master Audio Spanish 940 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 940 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit) SUBTITLES: Codec Language Bitrate Description ----- -------- ------- ----------- Presentation Graphics English 18,568 kbps Presentation Graphics Danish 17,048 kbps Presentation Graphics Dutch 20,039 kbps Presentation Graphics Finnish 19,237 kbps Presentation Graphics French 15,664 kbps Presentation Graphics German 18,547 kbps Presentation Graphics Italian 19,185 kbps Presentation Graphics Norwegian 16,415 kbps Presentation Graphics Spanish 19,654 kbps Presentation Graphics Spanish 19,938 kbps Presentation Graphics Swedish 18,513 kbps FILES: Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate ---- ------- ------ ---- ------------- 00492.M2TS 0:00:00.000 2:42:16.309 35*051*857*920 28*801 CHAPTERS: Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time ------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- 1 0:00:00.000 0:11:52.128 16*965 kbps 28*640 kbps 00:02:39.325 22*153 kbps 00:00:16.182 20*902 kbps 00:00:16.224 88*583 bytes 614*435 bytes 00:02:39.367 2 0:11:52.128 0:13:20.007 17*096 kbps 30*515 kbps 00:20:39.655 20*975 kbps 00:21:10.769 18*849 kbps 00:18:06.335 89*129 bytes 529*081 bytes 00:20:22.554 3 0:25:12.135 0:05:56.731 17*055 kbps 25*146 kbps 00:28:59.446 20*492 kbps 00:28:35.171 18*788 kbps 00:28:35.171 88*915 bytes 347*211 bytes 00:25:50.048 4 0:31:08.867 0:07:18.187 17*030 kbps 23*734 kbps 00:35:37.885 20*300 kbps 00:35:37.885 18*780 kbps 00:32:04.255 88*784 bytes 281*829 bytes 00:31:40.940 5 0:38:27.054 0:11:07.041 17*062 kbps 28*220 kbps 00:49:33.095 20*226 kbps 00:41:23.814 19*086 kbps 00:46:09.683 88*952 bytes 486*872 bytes 00:49:33.720 6 0:49:34.096 0:09:33.030 17*118 kbps 26*601 kbps 00:53:32.584 21*111 kbps 00:53:28.663 18*951 kbps 00:56:20.960 89*247 bytes 412*803 bytes 00:50:21.935 7 0:59:07.126 0:18:31.985 16*908 kbps 29*198 kbps 01:03:32.308 20*946 kbps 01:00:34.047 19*260 kbps 01:00:33.463 88*150 bytes 386*845 bytes 01:00:26.998 8 1:17:39.112 0:07:42.378 16*640 kbps 28*690 kbps 01:25:12.148 20*594 kbps 01:19:29.973 18*348 kbps 01:18:26.868 86*751 bytes 388*465 bytes 01:21:39.728 9 1:25:21.491 0:12:52.146 16*946 kbps 24*546 kbps 01:29:26.652 20*573 kbps 01:35:33.853 19*297 kbps 01:35:33.894 88*349 bytes 367*149 bytes 01:38:13.637 10 1:38:13.637 0:09:58.139 16*981 kbps 25*720 kbps 01:41:32.294 20*914 kbps 01:41:31.502 19*115 kbps 01:41:31.085 88*530 bytes 349*447 bytes 01:38:26.442 11 1:48:11.776 0:09:53.884 17*027 kbps 25*950 kbps 01:53:00.064 20*768 kbps 01:53:11.743 18*933 kbps 01:53:07.113 88*772 bytes 354*598 bytes 01:54:29.445 12 1:58:05.661 0:08:56.452 17*108 kbps 29*217 kbps 02:06:31.166 20*771 kbps 01:58:53.960 19*794 kbps 01:58:49.539 89*192 bytes 413*115 bytes 02:06:31.208 13 2:07:02.114 0:14:39.086 17*148 kbps 29*399 kbps 02:07:59.755 20*603 kbps 02:10:21.063 19*118 kbps 02:15:48.723 89*401 bytes 346*144 bytes 02:07:33.187 14 2:21:41.201 0:17:03.272 17*159 kbps 29*050 kbps 02:38:08.187 21*933 kbps 02:21:56.799 20*460 kbps 02:21:53.379 89*552 bytes 337*876 bytes 02:38:08.353 15 2:38:44.473 0:03:31.836 9*866 kbps 21*858 kbps 02:41:27.678 20*052 kbps 02:41:25.258 19*367 kbps 02:41:20.295 51*753 bytes 239*695 bytes 02:41:27.928 STREAM DIAGNOSTICS: File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets ---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- ----- 00492.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 9736,227 16*869 20*530*401*686 111*719*317 00492.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x86 DTS-HD MA jpn (Japanese) 9736,227 1*813 2*206*015*136 13*533*169 00492.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x86 DTS-HD MA jpn (Japanese) 9736,227 932 1*134*065*524 7*269*825 00492.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x86 DTS-HD MA deu (German) 9736,227 929 1*130*676*308 7*110*577 00492.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x86 DTS-HD MA spa (Spanish) 9736,227 940 1*143*993*516 7*291*771 00492.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x86 DTS-HD MA fra (French) 9736,227 1*850 2*250*939*512 13*787*316 00492.M2TS 4357 (0x1105) 0x86 DTS-HD MA ita (Italian) 9736,227 1*696 2*064*386*768 12*770*978 00492.M2TS 4358 (0x1106) 0x86 DTS-HD MA eng (English) 9736,227 943 1*147*954*280 7*320*554 00492.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS eng (English) 9736,227 19 22*598*370 131*299 00492.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS dan (Danish) 9736,227 17 20*748*179 120*809 00492.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 9736,227 19 22*572*376 130*592 00492.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS spa (Spanish) 9736,227 20 23*919*360 138*588 00492.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS fra (French) 9736,227 16 19*063*900 111*677 00492.M2TS 4613 (0x1205) 0x90 PGS ita (Italian) 9736,227 19 23*349*455 135*544 00492.M2TS 4614 (0x1206) 0x90 PGS nld (Dutch) 9736,227 20 24*388*149 140*640 00492.M2TS 4615 (0x1207) 0x90 PGS nor (Norwegian) 9736,227 16 19*978*152 116*493 00492.M2TS 4616 (0x1208) 0x90 PGS fin (Finnish) 9736,227 19 23*411*742 135*344 00492.M2TS 4617 (0x1209) 0x90 PGS swe (Swedish) 9736,227 19 22*530*709 130*356 00492.M2TS 4618 (0x120A) 0x90 PGS spa (Spanish) 9736,227 20 24*265*576 140*707 Last edited by ahsoka : 09-26-2009 at 03:28 AM.
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#23
09-26-2009, 08:39 AM
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ok, thanks.
Do you feel they are the same transfer/encode?
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#24
09-26-2009, 09:56 AM
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It's not the same encode, VC-1 vs. MPEG-4 AVC. I think it's a different transfer, the Japanese BD has a lot of white specs and other imperfections that seems to be mostly absent from the Studio Canal release. The SC image fills the entire screen, the Kadokawa has black bars in the upper and lower parts of the screen.
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#25
09-26-2009, 10:11 AM
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hmmm.......ok thanks.
one last thing. How would you compare the overall sharpness of the both releases? Is one noticeably better than the other?
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#26
09-26-2009, 11:38 AM
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Two screencaps to compare the differences between the releases. The Kadokawa release is definitely not recommended, the image is extremely soft.
Studio Canal / Kadokawa 
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#27
09-26-2009, 02:06 PM
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thanks so much!
really appreciate it.
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#28
09-26-2009, 03:08 PM
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#29
09-27-2009, 05:54 PM
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every link from amazon US has disappeared except for "contempt"
looks like Lionsgate got wind of this because apparently these releases are configured so that they can release the discs in different parts of the world. oh well. guess I'll have to go the amazon.UK route after all. knew it was too good to be true.
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#30
09-27-2009, 06:09 PM
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My order hasn't been canceled for Belle, so here's hoping it somehow ships. They're both expected by October 1st.
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