Max Manus - Man of War (UK Import)

[y0d4]

Can anyone help me on the Max manus UK import on the link below:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

Is it region free??

[kannisto]

I've understood that it's region free but encoded in 1080i50 which means you have to have a player and display that support 50hz. For example region A PS3 doesn't play 1080i50 content but stops with an error code.

I've got this disc on the way from BlahDVD, I expect to receive it around Friday.

[y0d4]

Thanks Kannisto, It's a bit odd though that you mention US PS3 doesn't support 50 Hz. As far as I know Twilight is 1080i 50 Hz as well and my PS3 play it with no problem at all. My display does support 50 Hz I know that for a fact.

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by y0d4

Thanks Kannisto, It's a bit odd though that you mention US PS3 doesn't support 50 Hz. As far as I know Twilight is 1080i 50 Hz as well and my PS3 play it with no problem at all. My display does support 50 Hz I know that for a fact.

Is that Twilight a European release? It might be in 1080i60 instead which is not a problem.

At least U.S. and Japanese PS3s don't support 1080i 50 Hz, there are a lot of forum posts on the topic and I have experienced the problem myself with my Japanese PS3 many times as I have 5-10 1080i50 encoded movies and a few more that have 1080i50 intros before the movie.

Since firmware 2.70 region A PS3 just throws an error code whenever it encounters a 1080i50 video stream. Previous firmwares were able to skip 1080i50 intros if the next thing to be played on the same playlist was in supported format. If the movie itself was encoded in 1080i50 it couldn't be played with earlier firmware either.

There might be some other region A PS3s e.g. in Asian countries that support 50 Hz though, I'm not quite sure.

[y0d4]

My Twilight copy is from the UK. And many guys in the AVS forum mention that this twilight copy is 50 Hz.

my FW for PS3 is 2.74 which is auto updating from a recent game that I bought. Also I bought this PS3 in the UAE (Dubai) but the seller mention that this is the US version of the PS3.

So I'm kinda caught in two minds whether to get this Max Manus copy or not.......*sigh

[DrMaustus]

Please keep us informed, Kannisto. I'd also be interested in the audio specifications for this title. I might import this one if it'll play on my BH200...

[Cochise]

Originally Posted by DrMaustus

Please keep us informed, Kannisto. I'd also be interested in the audio specifications for this title. I might import this one if it'll play on my BH200...

Just an FYI, I have Max Manus coming as well, hopefully arriving later this week, and will be trying it out on my BH200.

[DrMaustus]

Sweet Cochise.

Nice avatar too.

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by DrMaustus

Please keep us informed, Kannisto. I'd also be interested in the audio specifications for this title. I might import this one if it'll play on my BH200...

I'll post a BD Info scan on it once I have it.

[kannisto]

Got it today! Unfortunately no go on my PS3 as was expected.

BD Info scan:

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
(UK) Max Manus                                                  AVC     1:52:59 19,700,342,784  24,484,222,906  23.25   18.99   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1507Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     MAXMANUS
Disc Size:      24,484,222,906 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   19,700,342,784 bytes
Length:                 1:52:59 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          23.25 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        18992 kbps          1080i / 25 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              Norwegian       1507 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1507 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         25.985 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:52:59.920     19,700,342,784  23,246          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:06:51.080     21,296 kbps     34,986 kbps     00:02:37.680    32,504 kbps     00:02:07.160    32,364 kbps     00:02:02.080    106,471 bytes   452,026 bytes   00:00:42.000    
2               0:06:51.080     0:08:22.240     20,599 kbps     34,595 kbps     00:12:39.280    30,536 kbps     00:12:20.760    30,067 kbps     00:12:22.400    102,995 bytes   292,253 bytes   00:12:30.360    
3               0:15:13.320     0:07:46.039     17,871 kbps     35,505 kbps     00:21:34.080    32,780 kbps     00:21:29.359    32,136 kbps     00:17:41.240    89,355 bytes    474,370 bytes   00:21:34.160    
4               0:22:59.359     0:05:40.040     19,920 kbps     32,820 kbps     00:26:13.240    29,920 kbps     00:26:10.840    29,322 kbps     00:26:10.680    99,601 bytes    348,970 bytes   00:26:55.040    
5               0:28:39.400     0:08:57.799     15,515 kbps     33,000 kbps     00:32:00.480    29,149 kbps     00:35:40.479    27,432 kbps     00:35:40.480    77,573 bytes    286,036 bytes   00:32:54.320    
6               0:37:37.200     0:08:21.920     18,790 kbps     33,272 kbps     00:38:57.680    32,358 kbps     00:38:56.640    28,881 kbps     00:38:56.359    93,948 bytes    365,193 bytes   00:39:00.640    
7               0:45:59.120     0:09:20.279     18,441 kbps     31,560 kbps     00:53:22.640    30,168 kbps     00:53:09.760    28,516 kbps     00:53:09.040    92,204 bytes    288,130 bytes   00:52:38.279    
8               0:55:19.399     0:12:08.360     20,990 kbps     37,273 kbps     01:06:41.560    32,761 kbps     01:06:37.640    32,468 kbps     01:06:32.600    104,948 bytes   274,545 bytes   01:06:42.200    
9               1:07:27.760     0:11:14.720     20,368 kbps     33,565 kbps     01:10:23.280    29,951 kbps     01:10:21.720    27,083 kbps     01:10:21.680    101,841 bytes   323,288 bytes   01:10:23.320    
10              1:18:42.480     0:13:11.000     19,681 kbps     33,536 kbps     01:30:59.800    31,430 kbps     01:21:05.960    30,934 kbps     01:21:00.960    98,407 bytes    314,594 bytes   01:29:36.360    
11              1:31:53.480     0:17:22.000     20,180 kbps     33,311 kbps     01:47:13.040    32,448 kbps     01:47:23.680    32,389 kbps     01:47:23.800    100,900 bytes   341,433 bytes   01:47:50.000    
12              1:49:15.480     0:03:44.439     3,686 kbps      5,030 kbps      01:50:11.120    4,288 kbps      01:50:19.320    4,235 kbps      01:50:55.960    18,436 bytes    160,775 bytes   01:50:14.000    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6779.760                18,992                  16,095,360,463  87,573,867      
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          nor (Norwegian)         6779.760                2,147                   1,819,160,740   13,620,442      
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         6779.760                224                     189,838,208     1,059,365       
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6779.760                26                      22,022,249      125,123

[kannisto]

PQ looks very good:

[Cochise]

Originally Posted by kannisto

PQ looks very good:

Thanks for posting the pics & info.

PQ does look very nice, looking forward to receiving my copy and hoping it plays OK on the LG BH200. When it doesn't play on your PS3 because of the 50Hz content, you rip the the movie to a hard drive and then re-encode it to 24fps?

[DrMaustus]

PQ does look very good...especially pic 5

Thanks Kannisto! Let us know Cochise...

[kannisto]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Thanks for posting the pics & info.

PQ does look very nice, looking forward to receiving my copy and hoping it plays OK on the LG BH200. When it doesn't play on your PS3 because of the 50Hz content, you rip the the movie to a hard drive and then re-encode it to 24fps?

I can watch the disc as such on my PC but then I have to use my 24 inch PC display and headphones for sound. I only did the conversion to 24fps with one movie so far, it's a bit too much work.

If I have lots of free time I'll take the audio stream from the original disc and do the 25 fps => 24/1.001 fps conversion to that with eac3to, and it has to be encoded to DD 5.1 in the process (would be nice to have a DTS encoder but it's very expensive, the DD encoder is free). Then I'd take the subs from the original and turn them to .srt format with suprip (this takes quite much work as it's done with optical character recognition and the system needs to be "trained" to recognize all chars correctly, manual corrections are usually needed). Then I'd convert the .srt subs from 25 fps to 24/1.001 fps with Subtitle Workshop. Finally I'd use tsMuxeR to remux the original video changing it from 25 fps to 24/1.001 fps together with the redone audio and .srt subs, and I'd have a new Blu-ray folder structure with the 24/1.001 fps version of the movie that I could then watch on my PS3 if I put it on disc first. However, the smoothness of the movement in the video may be somehow negatively affected in the process so it's not quite optimal.

I think I'll more likely watch it on my PC...

[Cochise]

Originally Posted by DrMaustus

PQ does look very good...especially pic 5

Thanks Kannisto! Let us know Cochise...

I just got my copy of Max Manus in, and just tired a few scenes to check it out and make sure it loads fine on my LG BH200; I'll watch the whole movie later this evening. Good news! It does play fine on the BH200. Picture quality is very, very nice and the TrueHD audio excellent - I have my receiver set to volume level 55 on power up and usually raise it to 60-62 for most movies, but Max pretty much opens up to a battle scene and the house was rocking at volume 55.

My projector reported receiving 1080/50p, and as I was curious I tried turning the Film Mode (24fps) on & off on the BH200 and it made no difference in PQ and my pj reported 1080/50p either way. I noticed the back of the packaging claims the feature is in 1080p, so I wonder if it is 1080p50fps and not 1080i50? I guess either was the 50fps is a no go for most Region A players. But the PQ is much better than I expected, even with seeing kanisto's screencaps.