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Old 06-26-2009, 09:49 PM
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1080p50 is not among the encodings that are supported in Blu-ray specifications. Maybe the player is sending the original 25 fps frames to the projector so that each frame is repeated once, turning it into 1080p50 stream. I think it's somhow possible for the content to be encoded on the disc with 25 progressive frames per second and the stream tagged as 1080i50, as 1080p25 is not part of Blu-ray specs either. That would make it pretty much equivalent of 1080p25 but tagged as 1080i50. I'm not 100% sure on how it works though. Real 50p would require a lot more space too as there'd be twice as many frames to encode.

Quite often the real thing looks even better in motion than in screenshots

P.S. Here's a nice list of supported video stream types in Blu-ray:

http://www.emedialive.com/articles/r...leid=11397#iif
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:02 PM
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I watched this last night (and the previous night) in two parts. The movie was excellent, I thought it improved a lot on the 2nd half as I wasn't overly impressed yet after watching the first half. (I had to stop in the middle initially because my early converted 1080p24 version lost audio in the middle of the movie to my surprise.)

For those who enjoyed this movie I'd also recommend Flammen & Citronen, there's a recent UK Blu-ray of that as well:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flame-Citron...dp/B0027UY88G/

It's a fairly similar story about Danish resistance in WWII, and I thought it was an excellent movie as well.

I have the original Danish release of that one which didn't include English subs. That one was also 1080i50 so the UK release might be like that too if they re-used the Nordic encode. Somebody should check to confirm.

In the end I managed to turn Max Manus to 1080p(24/1.001) properly by adding a deinterlacing step (from 1080i50 to 1080p25) to my workflow before remuxing. Converted to 1080p24/1.001 in the remuxing procedure. Deinterlacing took some 9 hours on my PC (using RipBot264) though but didn't require any manual intervention after it started. The end result was very smooth and enjoyable on my PS3 setup and it ran on the correct theatrical framerate unlike the original BD which runs 4% faster
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Old 07-02-2009, 09:48 PM
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:01 PM
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Norwegian release:
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     MAX_MANUS
Disc Size:      44,074,401,010 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   33,118,083,072 bytes
Length:                 1:57:42 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          37.52 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        29903 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 AVC Video        56 kbps             480p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 3.2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Norwegian       3529 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3529 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       640 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       640 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          18.592 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         19.217 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       17.671 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       2.934 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         18.958 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:57:42.000     33,118,083,072  37,517          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:09:13.375     29,158 kbps     43,147 kbps     00:05:47.708    38,733 kbps     00:02:14.958    36,945 kbps     00:02:09.874    151,852 bytes   416,092 bytes   00:02:14.000    
2               0:09:13.375     0:11:58.875     30,902 kbps     44,972 kbps     00:15:23.541    39,436 kbps     00:15:21.583    37,191 kbps     00:17:29.249    160,946 bytes   372,151 bytes   00:20:45.125    
3               0:21:12.250     0:05:53.458     31,167 kbps     43,936 kbps     00:21:52.499    38,171 kbps     00:22:28.916    35,731 kbps     00:23:55.458    162,326 bytes   435,985 bytes   00:23:58.500    
4               0:27:05.708     0:13:28.375     28,492 kbps     43,470 kbps     00:37:16.624    37,418 kbps     00:37:15.416    36,334 kbps     00:37:10.416    148,396 bytes   428,883 bytes   00:34:29.833    
5               0:40:34.083     0:07:18.625     30,658 kbps     43,534 kbps     00:43:58.958    39,743 kbps     00:44:11.625    37,039 kbps     00:44:10.749    159,675 bytes   406,594 bytes   00:46:36.916    
6               0:47:52.708     0:11:09.166     31,374 kbps     43,243 kbps     00:50:41.041    38,126 kbps     00:50:40.041    36,150 kbps     00:50:35.666    163,405 bytes   398,834 bytes   00:51:20.375    
7               0:59:01.875     0:11:13.166     32,522 kbps     40,761 kbps     01:04:56.874    35,523 kbps     01:04:55.125    34,242 kbps     01:08:41.708    169,384 bytes   367,447 bytes   01:02:13.458    
8               1:10:15.041     0:07:45.291     32,252 kbps     40,184 kbps     01:13:30.999    35,498 kbps     01:10:24.500    34,595 kbps     01:13:26.083    167,977 bytes   366,500 bytes   01:13:26.500    
9               1:18:00.333     0:08:31.875     33,142 kbps     38,433 kbps     01:18:25.416    36,413 kbps     01:18:30.625    35,907 kbps     01:18:25.583    172,614 bytes   354,464 bytes   01:18:37.583    
10              1:26:32.208     0:13:32.083     31,564 kbps     43,432 kbps     01:33:33.874    36,852 kbps     01:39:44.208    35,544 kbps     01:33:43.958    164,397 bytes   346,418 bytes   01:27:35.625    
11              1:40:04.291     0:13:43.833     29,290 kbps     41,874 kbps     01:45:53.458    37,365 kbps     01:45:52.750    35,842 kbps     01:45:51.791    152,551 bytes   475,334 bytes   01:52:23.416    
12              1:53:48.125     0:03:53.875     3,030 kbps      7,820 kbps      01:57:25.083    6,591 kbps      01:57:23.375    6,102 kbps      01:56:50.083    15,781 bytes    129,188 bytes   01:56:55.125    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7061.875                29,903                  26,396,755,660  143,559,567     
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                640                     564,961,280     3,310,320       
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                3,529                   3,115,397,404   18,032,857      
00000.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                639                     564,290,560     3,306,390       
00000.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                639                     564,290,560     3,306,390       
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             swe (Swedish)           7061.875                19                      16,735,593      97,018          
00000.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             dan (Danish)            7061.875                19                      16,411,664      95,275          
00000.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                18                      15,599,150      90,780          
00000.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                3                       2,590,248       15,103          
00000.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fin (Finnish)           7061.875                19                      16,963,386      98,336          
00000.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0x1B            AVC                                     7061.875                56                      49,790,565      341,366
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:09 PM
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I think it's somhow possible for the content to be encoded on the disc with 25 progressive frames per second and the stream tagged as 1080i50, as 1080p25 is not part of Blu-ray specs either. That would make it pretty much equivalent of 1080p25 but tagged as 1080i50. I'm not 100% sure on how it works though. Real 50p would require a lot more space too as there'd be twice as many frames to encode.
That's right. Quite a few Euro Blu-rays are actually 1080p25 but flagged as 1080i50 through Progressive segmented frame to main compatability with Blu-rays specs.
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Old 07-03-2009, 10:13 PM
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That's right. Quite a few Euro Blu-rays are actually 1080p25 but flagged as 1080i50 through Progressive segmented frame to main compatability with Blu-rays specs.
Thanks for the info! I see you got the Norwegian release of this one, where'd you buy it from? I still haven't found a good source to buy Norwegian discs from as the stores don't seem to ship to Japan (even those that ship to U.S.).

Would be nice to know how to convert that kind of "1080i50" to properly flagged 1080p25 on a PC without having to re-encode the whole thing. My current method that works seems to re-encode the video...
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Old 07-04-2009, 06:20 PM
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A friend in Norway bought it form a local store called Lefda ( http://www.lefdal.com ) and mailed it to me. He said no Norwegian webshops ship outside Norway/Scandinavia.
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:50 AM
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A friend in Norway bought it form a local store called Lefda ( http://www.lefdal.com ) and mailed it to me. He said no Norwegian webshops ship outside Norway/Scandinavia.
I've had an understanding that http://www.zailor.no/ ships to U.S. but they don't ship to Japan. Anyway, I couldn't test them personally since they don't ship here. Right now the site seems to be down for maintenance...
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Old 08-13-2009, 11:52 AM
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Norwegian release:
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     MAX_MANUS
Disc Size:      44,074,401,010 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   33,118,083,072 bytes
Length:                 1:57:42 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          37.52 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        29903 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 AVC Video        56 kbps             480p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 3.2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Norwegian       3529 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3529 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       640 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Norwegian       640 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          18.592 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         19.217 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       17.671 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       2.934 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         18.958 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:57:42.000     33,118,083,072  37,517          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:09:13.375     29,158 kbps     43,147 kbps     00:05:47.708    38,733 kbps     00:02:14.958    36,945 kbps     00:02:09.874    151,852 bytes   416,092 bytes   00:02:14.000    
2               0:09:13.375     0:11:58.875     30,902 kbps     44,972 kbps     00:15:23.541    39,436 kbps     00:15:21.583    37,191 kbps     00:17:29.249    160,946 bytes   372,151 bytes   00:20:45.125    
3               0:21:12.250     0:05:53.458     31,167 kbps     43,936 kbps     00:21:52.499    38,171 kbps     00:22:28.916    35,731 kbps     00:23:55.458    162,326 bytes   435,985 bytes   00:23:58.500    
4               0:27:05.708     0:13:28.375     28,492 kbps     43,470 kbps     00:37:16.624    37,418 kbps     00:37:15.416    36,334 kbps     00:37:10.416    148,396 bytes   428,883 bytes   00:34:29.833    
5               0:40:34.083     0:07:18.625     30,658 kbps     43,534 kbps     00:43:58.958    39,743 kbps     00:44:11.625    37,039 kbps     00:44:10.749    159,675 bytes   406,594 bytes   00:46:36.916    
6               0:47:52.708     0:11:09.166     31,374 kbps     43,243 kbps     00:50:41.041    38,126 kbps     00:50:40.041    36,150 kbps     00:50:35.666    163,405 bytes   398,834 bytes   00:51:20.375    
7               0:59:01.875     0:11:13.166     32,522 kbps     40,761 kbps     01:04:56.874    35,523 kbps     01:04:55.125    34,242 kbps     01:08:41.708    169,384 bytes   367,447 bytes   01:02:13.458    
8               1:10:15.041     0:07:45.291     32,252 kbps     40,184 kbps     01:13:30.999    35,498 kbps     01:10:24.500    34,595 kbps     01:13:26.083    167,977 bytes   366,500 bytes   01:13:26.500    
9               1:18:00.333     0:08:31.875     33,142 kbps     38,433 kbps     01:18:25.416    36,413 kbps     01:18:30.625    35,907 kbps     01:18:25.583    172,614 bytes   354,464 bytes   01:18:37.583    
10              1:26:32.208     0:13:32.083     31,564 kbps     43,432 kbps     01:33:33.874    36,852 kbps     01:39:44.208    35,544 kbps     01:33:43.958    164,397 bytes   346,418 bytes   01:27:35.625    
11              1:40:04.291     0:13:43.833     29,290 kbps     41,874 kbps     01:45:53.458    37,365 kbps     01:45:52.750    35,842 kbps     01:45:51.791    152,551 bytes   475,334 bytes   01:52:23.416    
12              1:53:48.125     0:03:53.875     3,030 kbps      7,820 kbps      01:57:25.083    6,591 kbps      01:57:23.375    6,102 kbps      01:56:50.083    15,781 bytes    129,188 bytes   01:56:55.125    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7061.875                29,903                  26,396,755,660  143,559,567     
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                640                     564,961,280     3,310,320       
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                3,529                   3,115,397,404   18,032,857      
00000.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                639                     564,290,560     3,306,390       
00000.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                639                     564,290,560     3,306,390       
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             swe (Swedish)           7061.875                19                      16,735,593      97,018          
00000.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             dan (Danish)            7061.875                19                      16,411,664      95,275          
00000.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                18                      15,599,150      90,780          
00000.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             nor (Norwegian)         7061.875                3                       2,590,248       15,103          
00000.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fin (Finnish)           7061.875                19                      16,963,386      98,336          
00000.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0x1B            AVC                                     7061.875                56                      49,790,565      341,366
I'd get this release if it had English subtitles as I prefer DTS HD MA and would rather a 1080p/24 encode...
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